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*Terry Schindler-Schiavo

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    DMagic000 New Member

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    so one side says life (who loves her more than anything) other side says death (who moved on and doesn't care about her)-lets go for the death side!? Come on now. Even if he has the legal right -it is not legal that he could be doing this against her will -and that is why the fight is continuing.

    Paolino- She can support her own life -she just can't feeed herself....so because she can't feed herself than she should die? If that was true so many people in this world should be killed.
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    Against whos will? Shes in a vegitative state.

    And thats your opinion that he has moved on and doesnt care about her. If he didnt care about her, he would have moved on totally, instead of staying with this entire ordeal for 15 years.

    Her cerabal cortex in her brain is not working...she feels no pain. Them not feeding her is being done with dignity, and Hospice does this hundreds of times every day.

    She can support her own life? Can she go to the bathroom? Can she bathe herself? Can she talk? Can she cry? Can she talk? Can she walk? Can she sit up?
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    DMagic000 New Member

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    it's not my opinion -it's a fact. He has another woman and kids by this woman. Numerous people have heard him come into hospice saying "when is this bitch going to die?" That right there shows me that he does not care about her and has moved on. Only reason he has been holding on to this for the last 15 years is because he is covering up something (and THAT is my opinion on WHY he is holding on to the case)...because other than that he really doesn't give a damn.
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    e_andree E

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    Covering up what??? You honestly think that she could pull out of this condition? That her brain will suddenly not be damaged? Answer that question.


    And if you married at 20, your wife died at 21, would you never marry again?
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    DMagic000 New Member

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    So people who can't walk or talk should be killed now? Listen to what you are saying before you type it. And yes -she can cry. I know someone with cerebal palsy who can't walk or talk. He needs help going to the bathroom and bathing himself. So this person should die because he can't do some things on his own? Just because she isn't living what society calls a "normal" life doesn't mean she should die. Her family is more than willing to give her baths and anything else they need to do for her. She doesn't even need to be in that hospital -but the husband is making her stay there. If she just got a wheelchair she could have access to go anywhere.
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    A person with cerebal palsy isnt in a vegitative state.

    And you didnt answer either of my questions.
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    Bulletproofswordsman JDM Oroku-Saki

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    for me the question here is not wether or not to let her pass, (i think they should...) but wether or not the husband is actually trying to hide something if so then yes he should pay but theres no way at this point in her current state that her living is gona affect that...
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    If my boyfriend was in the same medical state that Terri is in then I wouldn't go on with my life and be with someone else -I would be by his side 100% -because I love him with all my heart. He would not be dead.

    There are people that have been in the same condition that she is in now that are now able to talk and communicate with other people. I can't say that Terri will or not because I am not Terri.
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    DMagic000 New Member

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    I didn't answer your question right away because you keep posting at the same time that I do.

    Some doctors state that she may have been diagnosed wrong and she may not be in a vegitated state.
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    Bulletproofswordsman JDM Oroku-Saki

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    hmmph i dunno, this is a pretty sensitive issue with strong arguments from both sides, somethins tellin me that their not gona let her live, tho....
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    I agree Bulletproof...I don't think they are -which is horrible. At least let her die peacefully though -don't starve her to death.

    And I swear to god if she dies I hope someone kills her husband and his brother. Sorry, but I do. Every time I see them in an interview I just wish someone would slap them.
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    Well, it all has to do with morals and the law. I see nothing in Schiavo...I dont see life.

    Take a step back, and realize that she may have told her husband that she would NOT want to live like that. The current laws (well, up until congress and Jeb got involved) give him the right to fulfill her wishes. Yeah, no one knows exactly what was said. But that doesnt matter, because he has the legal right to fulfill her wishes. And the courts have sided with him.

    Sometimes you have to put your morals aside and realize that the laws have been made for reasons.

    Laws have been changed, congress has been involved, all in a case that wouldnt be making news if it wasnt for the fact that Bush is the governor of the state, and his brother is president. Plain and simple.

    There are lots of Terri Schiavos in the US that we will never know about.

    She feels no pain, and its been said that keeping food from her will allow her body to react to it, and the endorphines will compensate for no food, and she WILL die peacefully.
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    Court appointed doctors have said that there is nothing there.

    Forget his doctors, and the family doctors. BIASED doctors.

    And florida was denied custody.
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    you don't know that she doesn't feel pain. So many people that use to have feeding tubes and where in the same condition that Terri is in have told their story that they indeed where dying inside when their feeding tubes were removed. No one knows whether she feels pain or not. Just because she doesn't look "normal" from the outside doesn't mean she doesn't have feelings inside. It is inhumane no matter how you look at it.
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    Bulletproofswordsman JDM Oroku-Saki

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    hmph now im wondering, besides removal of the tube would there be no other legal way to end her life?
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    What stories? Who? So why would the tube be removed? Did that family take it to court or something, get it re-inserted, and then that patient recovered fully somehow? (Honestly, are ya making this up to plead your case?)

    Now youre admitting that this has happened before. Hospice does this all the time. This is nothing new. Just seems new because its all over the news.
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    Nope. This isnt a life support issue.
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    I don't know the complete background to their stories -but they were talking on CNN last night. Why would I make this up to you? You mean nothing to me.

    And I never said this was new to me. I know it happens all the time. This just happens to be a case I have been following -maybe because I'm local -who knows.
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    Ah, now lets talk about morals....GEEZ.
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    I dk man it's a really sad story but if I was in the position I'd say pull the tube because man that's a lot of suffering that lady is going through by just bein in a bed for yrs and the agony of the family on seein her like that.... I'd let her rest in peace man I dk that's too much suffering livin off a damn tube if u ask me
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    from what i have read people have looked over 20+ hours of footage and came to a conclusion that is just reactions that the body does and she is in fact no there mentally.
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    she's in the bed because the husband won't allow her to leave.

    Those people who have seen the footage have not seen her in person. Many doctors that have seen her in person claim that there is more to her than just reactions.
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    she physically CANNOT leave.
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    if she had a wheelchair she could.
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    Geez. Someone would have to pick her up, put her in the wheelchair, STRAP her in, and push her around.
    I could do that with a dead person. Does that mean its mobile?

    All of the court appointed doctors have said there is nothing there.
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    explain that one to me how can someone thats brain dead be able move on there own
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    she hasn't move for the past 15 years
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    how would she move it?

    she CAN'T move it on her own. she is VEGETATIVE...meaning she relies on another person for everything.

    on top of that....

    1 - have YOU seen her in person? i find that highly doubtful...so you can't make any sort of real decision on this, either.

    2 - are these people trained doctors? doubtful. if the COURT-APPOINTED docs say she's essentially working on nervous reaction, rather than conscious reaction, then so be it. they're not her family, or her family's doctors...they're completely unbiased.
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    Theres footage of them with this machine with 20 colored lightbulbs flashing. they held it up to her face, and there was absolutely no reaction, no brain wave reaction, nothing.
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    what happened to her....what's the story.

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