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Engine what engine is good for a toyota corolla 96

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    killer2239 Lift at 5700rpm

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    7AFE - 93 rolla had 115hp and 115tq. 94-97 had 105hp and 117tq due to emissions shit or whatever.

    4AFE is like 105hp and 105tq.

    Possible easy swaps are...
    4AGZE (165-170hp depends on model, supercharged)
    4AGE-20 (either one) (165 for blacktop, and 160 for other) Blacktop has optional 6-speed tranny also.

    Or you can do a hybrid engine which i might do, and get 150hp and tq on average. Its not been done much to get good numbers on it, but its a 7AGE hybrid.
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    what engine is good for a toyota corolla 96

    which engine is better for the corolla 1996 and please include horsepower
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    There has been alot of talk about this.. I hope i get the name right.

    4-age silver or black top.
    go to my ride section there is a guy here locally from utah who has a black top. I saw it a couple months ago the thing sounded mean..

    from what ive heard it cost alot and takes some time so.. be prepaired.
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    possible swaps
    4age
    4agze
    4age 20 valve silver and black top
    best imo 4agze
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    cleanrolla97dx Guest

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    as far as engines that came in the car stock
    its the 4AFE 1.6 and 7AFE 1.8
    both engines are rated around 105-115 hp
    cant remember the exact crap
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    yup, uses a 944 belt, and u can use your existing ecu, though i think a 4age ecu would probably work better, not really sure.



    also, toyotaspeed90 has a 4age, running on a 4afe ecu, and says he's actually getting more power than regualr 4age's.
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    the only downside to swapping in the 20v is that it needs way higher than 93 octane to run optimal. i think like 97 or something like that
    i can get the silvertop localy for like $600 with about 30,000 miles
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    *deleted lol*

    I was off topic i shoulda made another topic myself, but too lazy.
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    Possible swaps like cleanrolla said are:

    7A-FE if you have a 4A-FE - 110hp
    Pros: This is the quickest and easiest as you can get away with a 'dirty' swap. Only need Engine Gearbox and ECU, nothing Else.
    Cons: it is very sluggish and lacks strength, as it is just a 4A-FE stroked to 1.8L.

    For the rest you need almost a front clip - Engine, gearbox, ECU, Uncut harness and in the 20v cases, uncut axles as they have brackets for the CV's. You will also need to run 100RON in ALL cases:

    4th Gen 4A-GZE from AE101 Levin GT-Z - 115hp
    Pros: Supercharged, Semi-forged Pistons and rods, good low-end tourque
    Cons: Poor high-end tourque, stock Gearbox far too tall so lacks some acceleration potential, 16v breathes poorly

    20v 4A-GE Silvertop with VVT from AE101 Levin GT-Apex - 160hp. (I have this one)
    Pros: Quad throttle body, Good flowing head, strengthened (not forged) pistons, high-revving for good power and tourque
    Cons: AFM, Sluggish until VVT kicks in, Boosting is expensive

    20v 4A-GE Blacktop with VVT-i from AE111 Levin - 165-170hp:
    Pros: MAP, VVT-i, Also high-revving
    Cons: Weaker than Silvertop internally, Stock gearbox tends to be far too tall giving poor acceleration.

    Both 20v's are very similar, except for the MAP and taller gears on the Blacktop. Both run at extremely high compression (10.5:1 for Silvertop, 11:1 for Blacktop) so boosting is expensive. Although i am in the middle of doing just that.
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    what about a Mk1 MR2 4AGZE?
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    I never knew hi reving engines made great torque. Also didn't know a s/c steals hp from a 4a-ge.
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    it does, as it is 16v and breathes poorly, but then that may be a gen3 GZE that makes 115.

    Hi-revving engines increase the tourque in the mid ranges, not at the top-end - effectivly increasing where you get peak tourque... that was a typo, sorry.

    As for the MKI MR2, they use the Gen2 AFM regulated GZE - they are alright, but definately not as good as the gen3-gen4 MAP regulated GZE.
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    Ummmm how you get 115hp on a 4AGZE. Its 165hp and 170 on the highest model. The mr2 version is 145hp.
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    A cheap alternative is a 1.8 7a block mated to a 1.6 g head. Uses the same size belt as a 944 i believe it is.. wierd... neways... plus I think that said you can use your existing ECU too...
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    4a-ge 20valve. It's a 800$ engine itself but installation and all that good stuff probably another 1000-2000 dependin on the stuff you need for it.
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    The proper gas is 100RON... the only difference is it knocks a little if you use 97 without octane boost.
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    what does the 20V 4a-ge silvertop sound like?
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    yes.... s/c does rob power.... that goes for any car... that's because the crank has to use power to turn the supercharger....

    the mk1 4agze was the 8.1:1 compression, smaller 8psi pulley (still sc12), and around 145hp

    all of these HP numbers from above are NOT wheel hp numbers... they are crank rated numbers

    i have a smallport.... i'm making more WHP than almost all ae86's (except for ones with internal modification) and early model ae92's and aw11.... being that the 4age changed in 90, and i have a later year
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    WOW so many replys....hehehe
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    That is right, all of mine are chp figures... the 20v's are without peripherals running 100RON fuel too.

    The GZE may also be a misprint... sorry
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    the silvertop would sound a LOT better w/o that plenum and AFM in the way! but it sounds good.....

    gze numbers are hard to say... there's several different versions of them
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    when i get mine dyno tuned in a few weeks - i'll let you know...

    As for the sound.... they sound awesome! You could put 4 small filters on it, but you would have to convert to MAP. You can put a CAI on the end of the AFM tho too... u just need a square hole... A 20v looks like:
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    So you can see it is quite easy to add a CAI... but i'm not going to bother cause all of that is going as soon as it gets boost... going to have all custom piping straight to the quad throttle, hence converting the AFM to MAP and getting rid of the pleunem.
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    does nebody have a sound file for the 4a-ge silvertop 20V? id love 2 hear it....thanks
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    o yeah...about how much $ does it cost to convert the silver top 2 map?
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    you could use megasquirt.. .which is around $200 including the relay board... plus whatever costs you incur going to the junkyard getting an EDIS system.... but then you have to figure out how to engage the vvt w/o the stock ecu

    a local mr2 ran 120.9whp with his silvertop..... a 6th gen celica with a 20V couldn't outrun me in my ae92 with smallport 4age
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    Im looking at doing the 7AGE conversion. I want more power than the 7AFE, but dont want to go with a swap and i want a fresh engine. My dad and i can do the 7AGE and have it rebuilt for like 1500 approx including buying a 7AFE block. I would use the hp head probably. Since the 7AFE block has the torque to it, and i want the hp gain from the head. Iv been reading up on it. you keep your 117tq and gain a little, but you go from your 105hp to approx 120hp. So overall its like 120hp and 125tq im guessing.
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    Thats also like a brand new engine to.
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    What was your torque rating?
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    where could i find a square hole 2 make a CAI for the silvertop?

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