Engine S/C 1zzfe vs. N/A 2zzge

S/C 1zzfe vs. N/A 2zzge

both with similar mods (intake, headers, exhaust, ecu piggyback, etc..), which would you rather have and why?

The 1zz-fe. Look at blk03corolla's dyno results and look at the torque curve and you'll see why.

area under the curve is more important than peak numbers

The 1zz with a blower... thats an easy one. The torque on the 2zz is horrible.

The intake/header,exhaust will perform better with the 1zz's FI as opposed to the 2zz's N/A engine. Plus I LOVE the sound of that S/C, it could put me to sleep at night!

The 2zz-ge is a great engine... im just a turbo/supercharger kinda guy

Definitely the S/C. The 2ZZ only has an advantage when you push it to higher rpms, while the S/C helps through the whole range. Most of us spend most of our time below 4000rpms.

I'd have one already if it didn't require me to switch to premium gas. What exactly is the octane requirement, anyway? With all this talk about premium octane numbers going down nationwide, I'm nervous about getting anything requiring high octane.

91 octane..thats also one reason i don't wanna get FI yet also =X

what mods does blk03corolla have on his 1zzfe? i know he has supercharger, exhaust, unichip.

check his cardomain..i think he just updated it

and u can't bore out a 2ZZ. but u can stil FI it. juss more expensive cuz u ahve to get lower compression pistons from wiseco. then since ure takign the rods out too, might as well buy connecting rods. thats 500+800 bucks plus installation. plus the turbo kit. maybe u can modify XS engineering turbo to for the celica gt-s to fit a 2zz for a matrix and corolla. but thats if u make hella bank. imagine lift and FI workign together....

242 wheel HP from sport compact car

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i think i'd go with a turbo'd 1zz, no supercharger for me

I agree with spruce. And ya for the hp, the 2zz needs more torque.

the 2zz is basically kinda like the 1zz but w/ lift. so it gets about the same torque. u'd have to put FI or increase displacement to get more torque from it. but i read that u cna't increase displacement on the 2zz

From what Im hearing on the matrix forums... They dont have a S/C or CAI in the works for the 2zz's

they dont really have an S/C available (excluding the hotchkis celica) but that doesnot mean its impossible to go FI for 2zz owners. also, there are CAI's available by AEM, Injen, TRD, and probably more for the Celica GTS and Matrix XRS which both have the 2zz-ge.

yup TRD definately makes an intake for 2zzge. as for FI, XS engineering makes it for celica gt-s. haha how can TRD not make an intake for a 2zz?

yup, 03 Matrix XRS have CAI from AEM, Injen, TRD, Cosmo Racing I believe..04 Matrix only has Injen as far as CAI's go.

Re: S/C 1zzfe vs. N/A 2zzge

Personally I would take a 5spd S/C 1zzfe.

I have an 03 Matrix XR (1zzfe) auto with CAI, exhaust and Unichip. The mods help out a great deal, but it is not a fast car by any means!

I have also driven fellow MO.com member 'blkdout's 03 Matrix XRS (2zzge), 6spd, CAI, exhaust and Unichip. This setup totally blows away my XR, but it still lacks the low end torque. Plus, you have to really wind it out for the lift to kick in. This is a fun car to drive when your racing around, but also takes a bit more driver skill to make the most of the driving experience.

For everyday driving, 90% of the time I'm way below 6k rpm in my XR. So, a S/C 1zzfe 5spd will give me the much needed torque and hp that I need and can enjoy most of the time.

As soon as bzzsan has time to take me for a ride in his awesom S/C Corolla (hint), I'm sure the experience will be the deciding factor to trade in my 03 XR auto for an 05 XR 5spd with S/C.

Just my .02

Re: S/C 1zzfe vs. N/A 2zzge

hehe, i hope so since the 1zzfe in the matrix and corolla have low redlines (6250 or somewhere in that area) compared to the 2zz. i hardly ever take my rolla to redline. most of the people her like the 1zz better because it seems it has higher potential and more low-end torque which folks value more than the high revving 2zz. I think ive made up my mind though, to trade my 1zz rolla for a 2zz rolla.

Re: S/C 1zzfe vs. N/A 2zzge

yup and xrs corolla handles better than corolla s. for the matrix xrs, i dont think they changed the steering response either. just put another engine in.

Another issue is the XS turbo kit for the 2zzge is around 5000-7000. with that money, I could make the 1zzfe engine much stronger torque range. Torque is where its at.