lets talk about whats going on...

lets talk about whats going on...

<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/08/04/iraq.main/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast...main/index.html</a><br />
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when are we going to stand up and say that enough is enough and we will not tolerate this shit anymore, quit listening to maria shiavo and cases of that girl that is lost in cuba or something, all this shit is to divert your thoughts to something other than the war...and im sick and tired of it, its sad, i mean c'mon people are dying...for NO REASON

i agree

Shiavo is long gone so that's history and the chick in Aruba is probably dead or some shit right now seriously.... sorry to sound so harsh but the truth hurts and life ain't easy nobody said it'll ever be...... I barely watch news anymore cause the same topics are on like u just said, news should just bring shit out straight up and not divert the thoughts of the people that are really concerned of what's really going on out there

Just remember that other people fell differently than you. Just because you feel something isn't important doesn't mean other people fell the same way. Some people don't feel like people are dying for no reason. But i really don't think they are bombradin you with Natalie Hollaway and Terri Schiavo stuff that much, if they were you would have known it was Aruba not cuba, I still read and see stuff about the war all the time. But the fact is that if one of your family members went missing and was most likely dead, you would want it all over the news and do whatever else you could to get to the bottom of it too. Your saying people are dying for no reason, and we need to cover that, yet a teenage is missing and probably dead for no reason, it's the same thing your saying needs to be covered, but on a smaller scale, and its not worthy of news coverage? Almost 300 people will be murdered in Baltimore City this year, but how often do you see that on the news, why aren't people making a big deal out of that, why aren't people attacking Martin O'Malley? Everyone of those 200-300 people will be killed over a drug deal gone sour or something, and thats in a single city, I;d say thats also worthy of news coverage, but it doesn't get covered, why? Who knows. But Martin O'Malley is a democrat, so obviously conservatives wouldn't try and keep it hush. The same way people are saying that Natalie Holloway and Terri Schiavo are being used to distract attention away form the war by conservatives, the war is being used by liberals to distract attention away from things as well. It all depends on your own point of view, everyone feels differently, and one day everyone is just going to have to come to terms with that, because i can gurantee you that eventually this thread will progress into a full blown political debate because two people disagree. The fact of the matter is that no one really needs to or probably wants to know anyone else's political beliefs, unless they ask, telling people only causes trouble. That being said, there are plenty of sites dedicated specifically to information on the iraq war if that is the only thing you want to read about, just look around a little and you should be able to find some.

21 soldiers dead this week and there is still 2 days left in the week, and what do you mean what have i done?...and if your talking about serving a country that was built on exploitation and lies....then I guess i have never served, so i dont get your point.

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His opinion and he is entitled to it, He was cool about, he said his opinion was that he didn't agree. He is being tolerant of others opinions, it's people like lilbeastie that have to mess everything up. One thing that pisses me off is when people act like their opinion is fact which is what lilbeastie is doing, notice that never once has he mentioned that it is only his opinion, he is here pushing his opinion that Bush is a liar and exploits people as fact. Turbo4afe is being donsiderate fo others, and I can respect him(her?) for that. He is allowed to think that Bush is stealing oil, as long as he can back up his opinion, and not just go well I think this so it is that way, which is what lilbeastie is doing.<br />
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As far as lilbeastie doing something is concerened, who really cares? I mean people don't realize that no matter how many times they protest, Bush will not pull troops out of Iraq. In my opinion, it would be much better to take that energy that is being used to protest, and focus it on supporting the troops that are there. Most troops returnig from Iraq/Afghanistan or anywhere else will tell you that one thing that depresses them is the feeling of the lack of support, many of them even say that the lack of support makes them depressed and unable to fight, and that many people are killed there because they are just too busy being depressed. Look at the percentage of troops comming back from Iraq with PTSD, it's enormous, yet goes unnoticed because everyone is too busy protesting or lobbying the war.<br />

Once again look at the homicide rate in places like baltimore city, I can gurantee that more than 21 people were murdered in this country this month. Your complaining and the media shifting attention away from the way with domestic stories, yet your allowing the war to shift your attention from just as important domestic stories.

He hasn't here. I porbably didn't say what I meant very well. What I'm saying is that if he is tolerant of other people opinions, he shouldn't have to defend his position, just like you and I shouldn.t have to defend ours. However if he came to this thread and started giving you and I a hard time because we might have a different opinion, and starts an argument, he better damn well be able to defend his position, otherwise he is too stupid to have one. Is that better?

i am a guy.

why are you referring to war in quotations?

what do you think the motive of invating Iraq was? To give a nation freedom? to find nuclear war heads? to fight terrorism? be realistic..it was $

Iraq's goverment was working fine before the US "thought" it would do a better a job by invading

where are the nuclear war heads? they still havn't found anything nor will they ever.

to fight terrorism? terrorism is not only in Iraq. and its not because of 9/11. US invaded Iraq 6 months after that.

thats my opionion. i am sticking with it. you can contradict me all you want but you will not change my beliefs.

Look at the polls..Just because you voted for Bush doesn't mean you made the right decision
http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/08...l.ap/index.html

http://www.thedebate.org/thedebate/iraq.asp

http://presentdanger.irc-online.org/pdf/gac/0209oil.pdf

she posted this on here so YOU e_andree will be the first to take action.
GET OFF YOUR CHAIR and GO STOP THE WAR. i am expecting you to have everything resolved by midnight.

and there is a reson for all the deaths: OIL

Please explain the extremely high gas prices if we are stealing oil.

who said the US is stealing oil?

Sorry I thought that was the point you were trying to make, if not then sorry. I just hate it when people use that argument, some was arguing with me once, and said the only reason we were at war was to steal oil, so I asked why gas prices are so high, and they honestly said, "Because we didn't take it yet, they are going to steal all the oil from the fields the night before they leave." and they wer dead serious, so I tend to think anyone who uses the oil argument now, is just stupid.

LOL...a midnight operations to fill all the 10 gallon drums with oil the night before the troops come back...haha..

i, for one, oppose the war. US has no business over there. but hey..thats my opinion.

Yeah, I know. People can't get much dumber than that. I don't mind having an intelligent argument or something with someone, but I hate arguing with the dumbasses that just go "Uh war is bad" and that is their entire argument.

you were not trying to make a smart comment? yea ok..

i backed up my arguments with articles from the internet...thats not good enough for you? you want me to write a thesis?

so bush invaded iraq because he cared about them? is that what you are saying? if yes, i will not even try to argue with you cause it is pointless...you need to get out of the us, and travel some and see how the wolrd views the US. trust me...its not how u think..

"Saddam Hussein was a brutal, homicidal "leader" of the country. " of THAT country..not YOUR country...Not the country NEXT door...a country far away that has alot of oil

well shit, might go for china while we are at it...take everything over since US thinks can do a better job since we CARE so much for all others...

do you even believe that the next president will keep the troops there?

AH, see now this part here is where it gets extremely controversial and opiniated, because to my knowledge they were referred to as WMD's not nuclear weapons. They have numerous times found large amounts of Sarin gas buried out in the desert. To me a WMD is any weapon that can cause mass casualities at once, and I believe that sarin gas certainly falls into that category, but thats highly opiniated and alot of people will disagree with that. As far as invading Iraq 6 months later, no one can win any argument on that topic, because he attacks 6 months after spectember 11th and you use that argument, but if he attacked them right away, you would use the argument that he did it in a hurry so that it looks like he is on top of it, and that he did it in a rage and put everyone at risk. So neither side (left or right) will ever be able to win that argument lol. But dude i said i respected you for being tolerant of others opinions saying "Look at the polls..Just because you voted for Bush doesn't mean you made the right decision", isn't exactly being tolerant of others opinions, just because I voted for someone different doesn't mean anyone was right or wrong, it means that two people have different opinions, both correct in their own respect. The things I have said in teh last few post i think are better summarized ina quote by dennis miller:

"The next time you get the urge to shut somebody up because they don't see the world exactly the same way you do, take a deep breath, get out your Bill of Rights, and count to the ten amendments."

i will respond to both of you after a couple of beers..

ob1murry i am being tolerant of others opinions...i am not trying to force anyone to belive in what i believe.

"No but they will make your sister look a whole lot better..." would be an innapropriate comment, like the one you just told me...so lets just drop the smart comments...

you are looking at a different perspective..so you care THAT much for the Iraqi people? how about the people that of hunger every day? thats a whole different story i take it...

Did you read the articles that i posted? apparently not, since all your questions are answered there...

Why is it America's business to go there to solve someone else's problems? Iraq had a goverment like that for decades. Why now?

There is terrorism in Russia for example...does that mean that US should go fight there as well?

i did...and i respect not only your opinions but you as an individual

The threat is in south korea as well..should US invade them just for shits and giggles because the potential is there?

well hopefully by next election there wont be any troops over there

lol, its just my opinion. lol and people like me who questioned the government have saved many lives, look at vietnam for example.