Engine called TRD and Injen on 05 CAIs and got this...

called TRD and Injen on 05 CAIs and got this...

Ok this is from MO . com but the same probs are here with the 05s...http://matrixowners.com/forums/inde...showtopic=43252

the main problem I have found, is the manufactures are not getting CARB certification, the 05s all CE, SE and S Corollas and Base and XR and Base 4WD and XR 4wd Matrix all have a carbon insert in the air box and it lowers emissions and they would need to duplicate this for CARB cert,

So far none of the 4WD versions of the Matrix have Electronically Controlled Throttle-body Toyota's Term for it (ECT)

Injen says the Electronically Controlled Throttle body is not the problem as they are doing it with many other cars, the carbon insert is a problem, as how do you design a washable filter with a carbon insert, they will probably make a 2 piece, a traditional filter and a carbon sleeve...

Now those of you out of CA probably have no worries and even in CA, but the manufactures do have a worry, they can not design something for sale that is non CARB cert.

Here are some of the results of my calls,

I made some calls and buy did I get some BS at TRD...below is their comments from 3 different calls and some of my thoughts, remember the 1,2,3 below id TRD talking not me....my thoughts are in ()...

1 you can not put an aftermarket part on that has not been approved be Toyota or you will violate warranty... (I am thinking geese guys; the Federal Law has only been around 30 years!)

2. All 05 have Electronically Controlled T-body will make it hard... (Ok so it is harder to do? so what...and not all the o5s have it, so far none of the 05 4WDs have it...)

3 We are not coming out with one

4 we are coming out with one

One time the TRD guy said “Toyota will not let us make a CAI for the 2005 4WD as Toyota will not certify the tranny for all that extra horse"

What a load of horse stuff!

TRD slings the BS like a used car sales person....

So I called Injen

He said the breather box has a carbon pre-filter in it, and we are trying to get a element with the carbon in the filter too, we feel we will need this to pass CARB regulations, the 04 should mount, but a manufacture may try to play you and say because the Gov has not approved it for your car and it is a part needing Gov approval, the manufacture MAY try to be a difficult in a warranty situation ( I am thinking so I would change it back before bringing it in for a warranty situation)

So Injen is at least coming forward...and they said ECT or Drive By Wire is not the problem, the problem is the Gov. and certification...they feel they or anyone will not pass CARB if they do not have the charcoal / carbon in the filter or in the throat of the intake...

So far now they do not have a CAI for 2005 and fit or ECT Vs DBC is not the reason....


Also on the term for Drive by wire and Drive by cable...etc...

http://matrixowners.com/forums/inde...showtopic=40347

Again this is Matrix stuff, so the photos are a bit different than Corolla...

Hi, I had a thought, (oh no there I go again thinking…) we are using a wrong and confusing term in DBC (Drive by Cable) and DBW (Drive by Wire)

We are using this to incorrectly describe the “traditional” Throttle Cable Controlled Throttle-body, and the new style Electronically Controlled Throttle-body (Toyota’s name for it)

I think we should call them CCT or ECT….

This may help newbie’s correctly distinguish as wire and cable can be miss-used and cross-used, also…

Drive By Wire is a term taken from 30 million dollar and above aircraft, the term Digital Fly By Wire, where a computer controls all flight surfaces, the stick that the pilot uses is not even hooked up to the plane, it goes to the computer and the computer tells the hydraulics how to move…this was a 1970 and above technology, and really does not apply here…

So imagine no shaft from the steering wheel to the steering system, only sensors, the brakes too, no pedal connection to the master cylinder, only a sensor and the sensor sends a signal to the master cylinder…..even the emergency brake has a solenoid…no cable…

In this case it is only the Throttle-body that is controlled differently…

I may be way off but Drive by Cable and Drive by Wire is too close, wires and cables can be confused for each other….a cable is a mechanical pulling or pushing multi-strand wire, the term wire here is a shielded, electronically insulated conductor, but coaxial wire is called “cable” thanks to Cable TV….see what I mean? Almost like string, rope,

My theory is that all 2005 4WD are CCT….



this is CCT




this is ECT

wtf... so which is ECT???
ECT = Electronically controlled Transmission
ECT also = Electronically Controlled Trottle

haha sucks for my sis, she wants to hook up the 05 rolla LE that she'll be getting....
At least injen is trying, TRD is being retarted, if injen can do it so can they.....

95% of the car out their without intakes that carb certified run fine and many pass smog fine. most smog shops will run the tests if it has the appropriate vaccum lines hooked up. As this will not make your car a gross poluter or raise any levels. just dont hose down your filter with that b/s filter spray

as far as toyota they may have you on the warrenty since your removing part of the filtration system by not having the carbon filter. But that is highly debatable depending on what warrenty work you need done.

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lost here, you post, I am confused, but...<br />
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no shop in their right mind would let you pass the visual with out CARB cert, it could mean their licence and livleyhood...<br />
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filter spray??? you mean the cleaner or the filter oil?? <br />
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Toyota would probally mess with you on the warenty, the aftermarket part needs to be designed for the car, so adding a aftermarket carb for a 75 Suburban on a 92 Suburban as long as both were for a 350 probally OK, putting a 2004 TRD CAI on a 2005 could void warrenty, the part is not made for the car...<br />
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Warrenty violations are subject to a lot of stuff, did the part cause the malfuntion, well if the tranny goes out and you have a 04 CAI on a 05...kind of hard to prove it was the problem causer, if you add a Super Charger on a 05 that says 04 all over it...and the tranny goes, they could put up a fuss, or be cool, your gamble...<br />
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you put 44 inch tires on a Corolla and lift it will the CAT be warrentied?? I would say yes, but the power train, probally not, stress, and the &quot;Car not being designed for this use&quot; would probally come into play

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I have a short intake, slammed on coil overs and 17s, i welded the trunk with a cross bar, redid the batter connection and ground system, ported the throttle body and i had a 4inch titanium exhuast, i never once had a problem with a smog check or with the dealership.

when i had my weapon r secret intake on, i passed inspectin wit out any problem, that thing isn't carb certified, i believe its pending, but its not certified

the only thing that matter for carb is an inspection, if you have to go see a state rep

intakes as long as they have the oem connection for all ports and sensors it will pass

dude I am really not trying to be a butt head here but your post sounds like Tonto...read it over...try not to laugh! You try-em copy and paste-em into Word, do a spell check and then paste it into the post...the last 3-4 posts sound this way...<br />
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you sound like a smart person and we are locals so...no flames, just had to have you take a gander at it, also I am having trouble following you...if English is your second language, please forgive me, we were all immigrants just a couple of generations back and I am not trying to offend, just trying to follow your points...<br />
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One question, what do you drive?? Year etc...also if I am reading it correctly, I see noting out of the ordinary on your car, a bigger T-body, but OK, my truck had a overbore T-body, my reference to warranty was if you had a header from a 64 Chevy Pick up on it and custom exhaust to make it fit you may violate the power train warranty, anything designed for the car should not violate it...<br />
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Also newer cars have emission controls on them reading into the ECU and this can cause problems, so better safe than sorry here..<br />
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On the 05, aint nuthen designed for them, no free flow CAT, no CAI, no SC, nada, so for not I am in a holding pattern until they do make one, putting a 04 CAI probally will not hurt anything, and my smog test is 4 years off so hey why not...but I am just hanging for now...do not want to buy a 04 CAI now and buy a 05 CAI in 2 mos....<br />
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If I was to buy one for a 03 or 04, TRD or Injen, CARB cert, no issues, tech support and you can ask questions, Short rams you can get for $50 but it is a $15,000 car or so and I do not buy these thing so often that it would break me to buy a Injen at $200, they look, feel and drive better IMHO I like the TRD as well…..

this ECT = Electronically controlled Transmission was on my 91 Toyota truck, I have not seen it outside SUV and trucks for a long time...

in this conversation it is for ECT = Electronically Controlled Trottlebody, Toyota's term not mine,

also I think DBW and DBC are too confusing, Drive by Wire and Drive by Cable, lets see that ther a cable or a wire? well we got yer cable TV (in a really bad Alabama accent...)

PS the photos did not help ya out??