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Another plane crash in progress!

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by 1337Rolla, Sep 21, 2005.

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    1337Rolla oh my

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    saw it in the news... never knew bout the result... i guess their safe... whew.... at least everyone is ok... f*** the airplane... prioritize the people...lol...
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    that was kinda trippy watchin it live and then all those sparks started flyin out.....i was actually waiting on that to buckle after i saw those sparks....
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    1337Rolla oh my

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    same.. I thought they'd just land it on the belly but guess not!
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    I was right at work when I saw a bunch of people in the restaurant area staring at the TV grabbing their faces and stuff and I was like hmmm someone died or something so I ask around and I'm like whoa plane with the landing gear problem circling around LAX and I'm like wow I can't believe that..... crazy stuff man but luckily landing was smooth and no one was hurt
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    that was one hell of a pilot though....
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    So what did this pilot do differently, other than keeping the nose up a little longer than normal?
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    keep the nose up for alot more time that a normal land would require, and while the nose was still up he reduced speed.

    a little longer that normal? how often do you fly?
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    couldn't land on the belly, the front gear wouldn't move anywhere.
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    Yes, a little longer than normal... How often do I fly on airlines? Few times a year...twice last week.

    The reason they flew around for so long before landing is so they could burn more gas. The Airbus planes cant drop their fuel.
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    he kept the nose up a lot longer than a normal landing.
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    Oh, cool....how often do you fly?
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    it's Jet Blue and they have in-flight entertainment

    can you imagine being in your seat and watch all the news coverage about the plane you're on? lol
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    especially watching yourself land
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    Frontier is the same way...it was pretty cool watching some of the Maryland football game as I was flying over the central US last week....


    They didnt watch themselves land...it was cut off ten minutes prior to landing

    Ellada?
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    Keeping the nose up on an airliner doesn't really burn off speed. It doesn't have speed brakes like a fighter jet... it has reverse thrusters that basically turn the thrust backwards to help it stop... and that cant be done until all wheels are on the ground.

    So to keep the nose up "to burn off speed" would be wrong.
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    No, Ellada is right, cuz Ellada seems to have lots of experience when it comes to this.....at least thats the impression he/she is trying to convey.....
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    Well coming from someone who's dad works as the person who builds and takes apart airplane engines for american airlines and from someone who can fly to anywhere american airlines can go for free (so ive flown quite often), i dont think u kno wut ur talkin bout. He kept the nose of the plane up to level out the plane and come down slowly as to not cause stress to the front landing gear since there's only one of those and thats the one that was malfunctioning. The plane doesnt slow down when its on two wheels cuz it will abruptly bring the front of the plane down slamming it on the ground (which causes spinal damage to the occupants btw). Also, coming in too steep will just force the nose of the plane to go down regardless. On top of that, if its on two wheels and decides to slow down, it could lose control. Every flight lands by "rounding out" before they get to the runway. While they're lined up, they make the nose of the airplane "flare" or pitch up. Once they've flared the nose of the plane properly, they will skim the surface of the runway to level out the plane laterally, then once the plane is level laterally, they must wait for a minimum of 50 feet before they can bring the nose down and level it out length-wise. (fyi: coming down on all three wheels at once means you were going too fast and came in too long) During landing, the brakes are never applied until the flaps have been lowered and the reverse thrusters have engaged to a safe braking speed. Imagine landing at 115 mph with the wheels locked cuz u engaged the brakes on a couple thousand pounds of airplane.

    Planes appoach the runway at 115 mph. They land and roll to a decceleration with the help of the flaps, which automatically begins to lower the flare of the plane. Here, they should be at around 80-75 mph. Once they've pulled out of the flare, the speed of the airplane should be at around 70 mph. They then engage the reverse thrusters until the speed has reached 50 or below and then the brakes are applied very lightly.

    Also, we dont even know if there were any obstacles before this landing. (Ex: a 50 foot tree placed anywhere before a runway with an approaching plane decending at a 6 degree decline in altitude will overpass 500 feet after that tree. The same tree but with a 3 degree approach will further increase the amount of time u must stay in the air)

    And yes, e_andree is right, the Airbus A320 doesnt have a feature to dump fuel. However, most other commercial airplanes have a switch in the cockpit to dump fuel, which exits from the wings and the tail section like a contrail but like half of it evaporates before it hits the ground newayz. It takes an average plane about 10 minutes to dump all the fuel in its tanks.
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    Good reply. I was trying to prove a point to Ellada, because he/she was asking me about my flying experience, as if I didnt know what I was talking about, and he/she was an expert on it.

    The new Frontier airplanes have a cool mapquest feature that allows you to see your real time altitude, speed, and location on the map. Very cool to watch.
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    a mechanic can take apart a car as well but that doesn't mean that his son can drive like Ayrton Senna.

    thanks captain obvious, but i did highlight what was more important

    "Busted", according to MythBusters.

    thanks for the lesson but i don't see how that pertains to my comment "that was one hell of a pilot"
    BUT..i do ADMIT my assumption of him reducing speed on while landing was wrong.


    oh and i fly 6 times a year for the last 5/6 years.
    Delta has had the same "mapquest" feature and had it for awhile
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    Wow, another smart ass....welcome
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    takes one to know one
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    Im not disagreeing.
    [IMG]
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    Im sayin my dad works at AA n takes apart n rebuilds airplane engines but he's no pilot...and if you wanna compare taking apart a car and taking apart any portion of an airplane...then what an out of proportion comparison...

    The only thing that slows down an airplane when its still flare up is the wind hitting the flaps when they have engaged since it will still go the same speed if the engines are pulling in air through it, even if the friction of a big airplane and air would make one think it will reduce speed that way, thats not the case.......there are no brakes applied and no reverse thrusters...

    I should have reworded and put this instead...."The plane doesnt slow down by applying its brakes when its on two wheels cuz it will abruptly bring the front of the plane down slamming it on the ground"

    And what are you talking about mythbusters.....the two pair of wheels at the center of the airplane are not even positioned at the center.....all airplanes with two pairs of wheels are gonna be located behind the wing to support that portion of the plane, its not at the center, therefore, most weight and a longer portion of the airplane is from the center wheels to the nose. The less heavier and shorter portion of the plane is from the center wheels to the back of the plane.....its like a teeter totter but the center fulcrum is closer to one side than the other...you tell me what happens....or u can continue to watch mythbusters....even drag cars have the same problem....if they accelerate the front of the car goes up, when the speed has leveled out or has slowed down the front of the car goes down.....simple stuff....

    My last statement was to vindicate just one of the many factors that couldve resulted in a long landing, where just a 50 foot tree makes you overshoot 500 feet of everything after it if your angle of descent was 6 degrees....it was not necessarily aimed towards your comments, just a comment of fyi...

    and since u admit that your assumption of the pilot reducing speed was incorrect altho it was contradictory to your previous reply where you quoted me, i would then hope this debate is done...
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    i do admit my assumption was wrong.
    even though you are making me read Blah..Blah..Blah
    :)

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