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Engine 4AGZE + Automatic ?

Discussion in 'Powertrain' started by teevee247, Feb 24, 2005.

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    teevee247 Well-Known Member

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    4AGZE + Automatic ?

    Basically, if I do keep my car, I want to do a swap, I could either go for a lower powered engine and swpa in a 5 speed manual, or get a higher powered engine with an automatic.

    In the latter case, something perfect would be the 4AGZE with an Automatic transmission, now my question is, did Toyota ever mate the 4AGZE to an Automatic from the factory? And if so, what would I look for?

    Secondly, the automatic in either the 4AFE (3 speed) or 7AFE (4 speed) can handle how much power reliably?
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    r u getting the automatic for comfort/functional purposes? or are u getting it out of no choice?
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    Why in the world would you want an auto tranny with a sporty engine?

    To answer your question, I have not personally ever seen an auto tranny mounted to the 4AGZE. However, the 20V Silvertop can be found in automatic.

    The 4a/7a auto tranny can NOT take more than 200 hp, I know that for sure. Even then you're pushing it with anything over 170. There's a car at my shop right now (4a, auto) with a blown tranny, and it was a mostly stock engine using N20. The engine put up with it but the tranny did not!

    If you absolutely must have an auto tranny, I would suggest getting the 20V silvertop and installing that engine. Most likely it is strong enough to take a low boost turbo setup if you want more power later on.
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    How about the 20V transmission with the 4AGZE engine?

    I want the automatic for comfort, definitely not out of necessity, local shop will do a 5 speed swap for about 600$, including transmission...

    I'll probably just end up with the 4AGZE and a 5 speed... cause i really want the torque...

    Do you know anyone with the 4AGE 20V and the automatic?
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    Your probably gonna be stuck having to get 5-speed. ToyotaSpeed90 will be able to answer this for you more than likely though.
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    um... i believe the SC mr2 came with an option for an auto.... have yet to see one though....
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    The Silvertop 20v came in automatic, they aren't too hard to find. I haven't seen a GZE in auto either...

    *edit* I just realized that I already said that in this thread.

    Well anyway, yes you could use the silvertop auto tranny mated to the 4AGZE and it probably would hold up better, but you'll be the first to find out, that's for sure :)

    Also you'll have to figure out how to run the computer since you want the GZE ECU for the engine but the 20v ECU for the tranny... but I would have to look at it to see the easiest way to run it.
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    Hmmm... so i'd need both ECU's? But have the harness wired so they both control only what they have too?
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    i've driven an SC'd auto MR2.. they do exist..

    but GEEEEZE that's stupid..

    "for comfort".. might as well just tie a big vagina around your neck (no offense ladies)
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    lol... well, I just got a price on a 4AGZE LSD Transmission, 5 speed... looks like i'll convert my car to a 5 speed (and the good transmission too :)) in late spring/early summer, then i'll start saving for the 4AGZE...
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    hope the tranny comes with axles
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    the 4agze needs different axles?
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    Yeah, the inners are different...

    Wouldn't the ones from the MR2 fit? (inners?)
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    ahhh, money just keeps adding itself... damn money, heh
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    ok..... as you know dr tweak, the axles are only dependant on the transmission you use... you could very easily use a c50, c52 or an E series transmission... you would need the axles of that transmission..... the inboard shafts of the C and E series transmissions ARE different.... the outboard (hub) shafts are the same..... however, the E series axles aren't like most car axles... you can unbolt the 2 halves..... the E series axles themselves are quite a bit thicker... and all of the FWD cars that came with E series trannies (obviously all non US cars) have a midshaft.... so part of the axle actually bolts to the engine... the joints are a little goofy, but it's meant to reduce torque steer
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    I really wonder if the inners from the 2ZZGE would fit... they are bigger than the regular Corolla ones. They also use a mid-axle which has a carrier bearing that bolts to the engine. The E-153 has the same setup... woah... I wonder if those would fit? That tranny is on the MR2 turbo... We really just need the inners and we can go from there...
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    turbo mr2 is an E150.... the s/c mr2 is an E50..... FWD trannies are the E52 and E58... supposedly the spline on the LSD E58 is different than the US tranny and requires a different clutch (i've considered that an E150 clutch might work)

    one of these days i'll put up pics of the s/c axles... the inboard shafts are seriously about 1 1/2" in diameter.....

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