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    Would you support this?

    This bill has the goal of reducing crime, specifically crime involving cars. Under this bill, all tires will be given a unique marking; this marking will be catalogued corresponding to the purchaser of the tire. The theory is that when a crime is committed, this catalogue will aid forensic researchers in tracking down the criminal based on the tire markings. This may be useful for hit-and-runs, drive-by shootings, or any crime in which a car is used as a vehicle.

    The bill has a few small problems, as follows:
    -there are an abundance of old tires without the markings
    -the markings can be manipulated, erased, or changed
    -not all crimes involving vehicles leave tire prints
    -criminals frequently steal the cars they use during crimes
    -a criminal could simply steal the tires off another car
    -another tire mark could already be on the crime scene, and implicate an innocent person
    -the unique markings simply wear off after a while

    Now assume that this system drives up the price of tires, by an unknown percentage. Lastly, assume that this bill is pushed by an environmental organization that is widely known to oppose all uses of cars in all applications; you suspect they pushed this bill simply to make cars less affordable.

    Would you support this bill?
    e_andree, Aug 28, 2006
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    vortex Well-Known Member

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    link to full explaination of bill?
    vortex, Aug 28, 2006
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    Shoot....forgot to say that this is totally hypothetical
    e_andree, Aug 28, 2006
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    Ninety Four New Member

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    It doesn't really make too much sense, basically because, like you said, that system has too many flaws.

    If people know that burning rubber will leave forensic evidence, they'll just drive slowly, or steal someone else's car/tires.

    Did you just think this up or is there a purpose behind the question?
    Ninety Four, Aug 28, 2006
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    There is a logical purpose behind this scenario....there are some minor flaws with the actual purpose, but it will make you think. When a few more people reply, Ill post up the reason I posted this.
    e_andree, Aug 28, 2006
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    Cuztomrollaz98 MAD VLAD!

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    uhhh no
    Cuztomrollaz98, Aug 28, 2006
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    DeebsTundra Big Tires :)

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    Negative, because to put these special markings on my BFG A/T's, they'll jack the price up, which will put my tires up over $200 a piece. So no, I wouldn't.
    DeebsTundra, Aug 28, 2006
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    Ninety Four New Member

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    I could definitely see an increase in stolen wheels/tires and black market tires without markings if this were put into law.
    Ninety Four, Aug 28, 2006
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    fishexpo101 Get Some

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    Voted NO - in a sense, tires on vehicles already show unique markings depending on wear patterns and whatever road hazards it has seen over its lifetime. Making special "marking" or unique identifiers will not help the overall problem, in my opinion, just another way to line someone else's pocket with my hard-earned cash.
    fishexpo101, Aug 28, 2006
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    e_andree, Aug 28, 2006
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    Ninety Four New Member

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    You point out an ironic situation, but that doesn't change the fact that guns are meant for the sole purpose of killing things, while cars are not.
    Ninety Four, Aug 28, 2006
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    Not following your point.....

    yeah, like i said, there are many holes in this argument, but it makes ya think.

    The guns parts can be changed, filed down, or exchanged. Moreover, they are internal parts so if they were filed down there would be no way to know. There are a plethora of old handguns, literally millions, that have no such markings. Moreover, revolvers do not eject shell casings, so this technology is completely worthless as to a large portion of all guns. Finally, nothing is to stop a smart criminal from simply going to a shooting range and picking up some old shell casings, and throwing them around his crime scene to implicate innocent people. I would be willing to bet $1000 that this technology will not lead to a single criminal conviction in the first decade it is enacted


    The irnic thing is, the crowd that supports the monitoring of phone calls for terrorism under the "if you ain't dun nuthin' wrong, you ain't got nuthin' to worry about" are freaking out over this same concept.


    AB 352, commonly referred to as the MicroStamping Bill, requires or mandates or demands, that all semiautomatic pistols that are deemed safe shall be equipped with micro-sized characters that identify the make, model, and serial number of the gun. These micro-characters are etched on to the firing pin of the gun. When fired, the markings transfer on to the cartridge case.

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    Sturm, Ruger, and Co., Inc. wrote in their opposition to this measure that, "AB 352 is totally unworkable under our current manufacturing processes." They state that, "We would have to find a way to reconstruct our entire manufacturing lines to account for this requirement."

    The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute also presented opposition to AB 352, saying, "Criminals will easily defeat the technology...by simply filing away...the surface...where the laser engraving has been placed." So much for ease and simplicity for law enforcement.

    http://www.gunownersca.com/news/display/?id=155
    e_andree, Aug 28, 2006
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    lol I read the first few sentences and thought........ that sounds like what they're trying to do with bullets for handguns.

    Absolutely rediculous legislation IMO. Yeah, lets make the bullets tracable to the owner of the gun, so when C-Murder shoots his former homeboy K-dog over some dumb bitch (with your stolen gun) what will happen? It wont help them find out who fired the gun, they'll just go to the law abiding citizen who's gun was stolen and cause a headache for him.

    I've said it many times before. MOST firearms laws are pointless. Not only do most infringe on our 2nd amendment (and in fact lose sight of the true rationale and meaning behind the amendment), but they also serve to hurt only upstanding citizens.

    Most streetcrimes involving guns are committed by CRIMINALS. They don't follow gun laws, they buy illegal/stolen guns on the black market, and they dont register their guns. Give law abiding citizens an easy way to own their own guns, and I'd bet you see FEWER violent gun crimes committed. If theres a good chance that people are carrying, then their are fewer easy targets for gun-toting criminal to prey upon.

    Oh and anyone who thinks guns kill people and is strongly anti-gun, do some research on Australia as a case-study. They banned guns and 2 things happened.

    1. Violent crimes with SWORDS increased exponentially.
    2. Gun crimes increased because criminals knew that their victims wouldnt be armed.

    Exactly. They'll file down the casing markings the same way they file off serial numbers on stolen guns used on the street. I mean thats a big "DUH":rolleyes: ..... we really do have a bunch of morons proposing these laws.

    BTW what brilliant Democrat proposed this legislation?
    gotarheels03, Aug 28, 2006
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    I would not support this because...

    1) It would cost more money! I'm sick of paying more money to help COPS do there job, they have enough of my money already :D
    2) COPS would get bored and start looking for burnout marks on the ground just to mail you a ticket for leaving them.
    3) If the tires came in sets with special markings what happens when I need to replace a single tire due to a defect? Do I now have to replace all 4 because "Its the law!" $$$
    4) If I purchased my tires off eBay chances are I would get 4 distictly different marked mismatched tires and if I did commit a crime 4 random people would get arrested.
    5) They already have speed camera's and traffic camera's at every major intersection where I live. I think that Big Brother is enough. I don't need Big Sister and Big Aunt to go along with him :D
    6) It would cost more MONEY! ARG! I drive a Corolla for crying out loud.

    Thanks my 2 cents hehe :D
    Barnacules, Aug 28, 2006
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    Are you joking?
    e_andree, Aug 29, 2006
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    Barnacules 100101101011011

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    Sort of but not really :D
    Barnacules, Aug 29, 2006
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    Im just asking because the tire scenario isnt real.....
    e_andree, Aug 29, 2006
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    Im normally in favor of gun control legislatioin but based on what little I have read from the forum and the articles I don't think this a good idea. Like people mentioned above, it would probably do more to harm or inconvienance an innocent consumer than to identify a criminal.
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    Barnacules 100101101011011

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    I know the scenario was not real :) I just wanted to say why I wouldn't support it if it was.
    Barnacules, Aug 29, 2006
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    Do you support it if guns replaced the tires?
    e_andree, Aug 29, 2006
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    na I dont support it wether it be guns, tires, humans, dogs, cats..
    jtweezy, Aug 29, 2006
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    No, I don't support it for guns either. It would only cost innocent people more money and be avoided by trouble makers :D
    Barnacules, Aug 29, 2006
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    True True
    e_andree, Aug 29, 2006
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    tires and guns are two completely diffenent things. you NEED tires, but you don't need a gun. comparing two similar items would work out better. i would not support something like that for tires, but guns i could see it happening although there are too many holes in the bill
    its_ikon, Aug 31, 2006
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    I don't think it really matters what it is :) I mean I could just as easily walk up behind someone and wack them in the head with a heavy object as if I ran them over with my car or shot them with a gun. So for this bill to be effective they should have to laser enscribe the bottom of my sneakers so I leave foot prints when I commit a crime :D
    Barnacules, Aug 31, 2006
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    the main reason i dont support it is because it seems like more and more the govt...or whom ever is trying to keep track of everything and then It will lead to puttin a device on humans or a leash of some sort......so this could just be the beginning...
    jtweezy, Aug 31, 2006
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    Yeah, but I dont think keeping track of guns is a bad thing. This has a lot of damn holes in it though.

    Especially since it leaves a distinct mark on the CASING
    e_andree, Aug 31, 2006
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    yeah the guns thing I understand and well if that works for guns then they would try to argue its success into implenting the same theory's on other things......
    jtweezy, Aug 31, 2006
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