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News Seperation of Church/State is a LIE!

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    Seperation of Church/State is a LIE!

    What do you all think about Harris here.......Ive been in involved in a very heated debate on another board (me?? nooooo....lol)...lets see what everyone here thinks of her views.

    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/lo...rris,0,5266401.story?coll=sfla-home-headlines

    Katherine Harris: Separation of church and state 'a lie'


    "...if you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," she says in interview.

    By Jim Stratton
    Orlando Sentinel
    Posted August 25 2006, 11:30 AM EDT


    U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris said this week that the separation of church state is "a lie," that God did not intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking bodies to "legislate sin."

    In an interview with the Florida Baptist Witness, the weekly journal of the Florida Baptist State Convention, Harris described her faith, saying it animates "everything I do," including her votes in Congress.



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    She warned that if voters do not send Christians to office, they risk creating a government that is doomed to fail.

    "If you are not electing Christians, tried and true, under public scrutiny and pressure, if you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," she told interviewers, citing abortion and gay marriage as two examples of that sin.

    Doing so, she said, "will take western civilization, indeed other nations because people look to our country as one nation as under God and whenever we legislate sin and we say abortion is permissible and we say gay unions are permissible, then average citizens who are not Christians, because they don't know better, we are leading them astray and it's wrong..."

    Harris said that Americans "have internalized" the "lie" that church and state must not be mixed. In reality, she said, "we have to have the faithful in government" because that is God's will.

    Separating religion and politics is "so wrong because God is the one who chooses our rulers," Harris said. "And if we are the ones not actively involved in electing those godly men and women," then "we're going to have a nation of secular laws. That's not what our founding fathers intended and that's (sic) certainly isn't what God intended."

    Harris, a Republican from Longboat Key, is running against Orlando attorney Will McBride, retired Adm. LeRoy Collins and developer Peter Monroe in the GOP Senate primary. McBride and Collins also did interviews with Florida Baptist Witness. Monroe did not.

    Both Collins and McBride, a lay minister and son of a pastor, say their faith is an important part of their lives, but Harris' responses most directly tie her role as a policy maker to her religious beliefs
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    Cuztomrollaz98 MAD VLAD!

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    wow man I'm a christian but she is just beyond limits, I think religion should be about freedom of belief and not be run by abstract rules and such
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    My beliefs:
    I believe that 95% of people can simply not create a healthy mixture of the two. Religion and Politics is a discussion I usually tend to stay out of. If I get into it...I keep it civil. Most people, extreme political personalities tend to want religion out from the perspective of faith.

    Most religious extremists irritate me anyways...because the fact of the matter is that there are so many different religions...and each and every religion claims THEY are the only true religion.

    This is why I keep my political views quiet unless I'm with friends, and why I discuss religion only with educated people.

    "My way or the highway," has never really flown with me.
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    think i should open this can andy? i mean, you know how i am on this subject... hehe
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    DeebsTundra Big Tires :)

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    That's entirely up to you bro. :)
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    Ninety Four New Member

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    Unless news is posted on either CNN.com or washingtonpost.com, it's GARBAGE!
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    Hmm ok well here's my two sense I guess. (takes a deep breath)

    I wouldn't go as far as to say Christians. There are many of us who do not do what is right(I know I fall WAAAAAY short), and many who don't even know what the heck it is that we believe. Personally I do not vote based on those things. I've known Jewish friends that by the way they live their lives with their beliefs make me feel ashamed at how I am not living mine. (Not that they call me on it, just that I realize I'm not doing what I should be, you know?)

    I think heart heart is there, but her brain is messing it ALL up. Christians should be replaced with people who are striving to do what is right by God. (Allah, whatever)

    There are many "Christians" or those that use the title that are more crooked and dark than what they show on the surface.

    Ehh I dunno. I think it would take a friggin term paper to be able to show exaclt yhow I feel on this subject.
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    DeebsTundra Big Tires :)

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    That's a little bit of a biased statement don't you think? So the news that's posted on my local news sources are garbage just because they aren't covered on CNN or in the washington post?

    If we're going to be biased about news sources, what's so wrong with the New York Times?
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    CNN is just as accurate/innacurate as any other news source. They did a breaking story about an attack in Iraq while I was over there. I tell you now, it was nothing like they reported. The attack happened in a completely different place than they reported too. lol
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    I'm a Catholic Christian, this sounds like a crock of **** to me. God isn't biased towards Christians, there's plenty of Christians who don't uphold his Word. Likewise there are plenty of non-Christians that do uphold his Word.

    I mean, Jesus was Jewish for Christ's sake..

    What did you think, e?
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    Exactly. In fact, when it all comes down to it the teachings of most major world religions are essentially the same.

    And what Katherine Harris said is a bunch of shit, plain and simple. I understand that law in general is based on morals, however that doesnt mean Christian Conservatives should be able to legislate their own Christian / Puritan morals on the rest of the population.

    I hear some of these "Christian Conservatives" group muslims and Islam in general into the mix with radical islamic terrorists. All you have to do is look at theocratic governments like Iran to see the error of not separating religion.

    Here's the big problem about separating church and state. Combining the 2 will ultimately lead to the average citizen losing his/her right to freely practice and establish the religion of his/her choice. Combining the two ensures that legislation favoring one religion will be enacted, and thus eventually laws are passed that favor Christianity and are prejudicial to other religions. Once that happens, say goodbye to religious freedom. That is why our founding fathers created such a separation. Separation is the best way to ensure free practice without control by government.
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    Eh, I wouldn't go that far... but I mean, yea, most promote a basic code of ethics.
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    How does this contribute to the thread?

    Regardless of what religion you are, religion doesnt belong in politics/government at all. But its always going to be.

    Harris is wacky. To say that she wants ONLY christians in government is just as bad as saying the KKK wants ONLY whites in government positions.

    As long as the laws that president promotes don't violate the constitution, and pass through congress, I have no problem with him basing laws on ideas that are inspired by his religion. When he becomes intolerable of other religions, theres a problem.

    Why not? Interpretation may be different
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    It is a biased statement. I'm biased in that I don't pay attention to tabloidy stories. This story may be relevant if you're a voter in this particular district, but in my opinion, this is just a politician wearing their religion on their sleeve to gain attention. IMO, the whole idea of being a Christian having to equate with limiting the rights of others is stupid, so for that reason, this whole story is tabloidy. This is why I say I stick to major news sources like CNN and the Washington Post, because they don't ususally cover slanted stories like this (IBthey'reliberallyslantedcomments).

    The New York Times is a good paper, but I happen to personally favor the Washington Post.
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    Im not Christian. Dont know what else to say. This country is mostly centered around the Christian religion. Most national holidays are Christian holidays. Bills, coins all say God on them. God is in the pledge. Im not saying that I dont believe in a God but some dont. I have friends that are atheists. Everyone has their own beliefs but this country is somewhat centered around the Christian religion and that is mainly because the founders of the country were all Christian.
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    Thats wacky logic. This story is far from "tabloidy" considering she is a member of the House of Reps and will be running in the GOP Senate primary. So if this same story was in the Washington Post, you would take it more seriously? The Orlando Sentinel is to Florida as the Washington Post is to Washington.
    This article has been picked up by ALL of the major newspapers and news networks across the United States, since it was done by an Associated Press writer. CNN has picked up this story as well, since she has a checkered past in addition to this new story. I first saw this story on the AP wires.

    And the seperation of church and state is far from tabloidy in itself. It is a very real issue going on within the news right now.
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    Hmmm...guess the story is legit now, since CNN picked it up

    http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/28/senate.harris.ap/index.html
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    You missed my point entirely. Read my posts again and maybe you'll get what I'm saying.
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    I get what youre saying. You say you would rather not read slanted stories like this, so you stick with the Post or CNN. Yet there the story is, right on CNN, and its in the Washington Post as well.

    I take it you mean that this story is garbage since it wasnt in the post or on CNN.......so is it not garbage now?

    Im just pickin on ya :)
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    ^ Nice:Ewned:
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    Barnacules == Atheist

    Katherine Harris can suck my balls :D
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    she and others in our government are entitled to their own beliefs. I disagree what she said, and she probaly wont get reelected, but she can have what beliefs she wants to have
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    Did I mention that Katherine Harris can suck my balls? :)
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    As long as those in government dont try to push their own religious beliefs on me then im fine with whatever they want to believe.

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