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    Surprised this hasnt come up!!!


    The families are backing it...thats all I care about.
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    I don't have real interest in going to the theatre to see it.
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    A move that i'll probably only rent, I doubt it'll be that good/interestnig...
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    not only are they backing it I heard thismorning that they all helpend in the production, either by actually helping with the film makeing or just providing recordings of the phone calls and interviews.
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    All of the conspiracy theorists out there say that at the time, it was impossible to make cell phone calls from the airplanes.....I think thats BS. That would mean the families are in on the "cover-up", or they are all actors......
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    I think they used the phone on the airplane.
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    corollarider19 New Member

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    this to me was like passion of the christ.. peope were sobbing and it was a very emotional movie.. after it was done nobody moved out of their seat.. it was just one of those movies
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    actually you *can* use some cell phones on a plane. The FCC rules have less to do with the impact on the navigational system than they are biased based on concerns with cell phones on planes causing a shitstorm of problems with the systems on the ground. in some cases there has been some sometime back in 2004 the FCC was working on ideas to work towards lifting the ban on use inflight. even "Mythbusters" did an episode on this and their finding was that it is possible, however unlikely, that a cell phone could interfere with the aircraft electronics.
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    that was a sweet episode... lets throw a cockpit on the back of a tacoma and drive around
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    Nah, thats not the issue.....its the fact that many claim the technology did NOT exist in 2001 for cell phones to work 10,000 feet off the ground at those speeds.

    Cell Phone use facts: http://www.physics911.net/cellphoneflight93.htm
    http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/a...honecalls.html
    http://www.rense.com/general56/moreholes.htm
    http://www.oilempire.us/flight93.html
    http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news...h-492390.shtml
    http://cjunk.blogspot.com/2006/04/co...n-haunted.html
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    article number #3 claims that the technology didnt exists.
    i find it extremely hard to believe that cell phone calls were made from 93's altitude.
    i have tried staying on the phone with my gf before. from take-off to 2,500 ft. the call was dropped after that. to me i find it impossible for a call to be made at over 8K ft like the website suggests.
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    the movie was very good. very intense. the same thing happened, it was all quite after the movie ended.
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    Lets not forget that those airplanes were equipped with the AirPhones. In 1997 I called my mom from an Airphone.

    And at what altitude was the plane when these calls were made? We dont know that.
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    hehe paid through the teeth too didn't ya? i made a couple calls back in 1997 flying home as well - cost me about $100 for only a few minutes here and there. lol
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    the transcripts of the phones calls are so strange!?

    especially the guy who calls his Mom. He says his first and last name!???

    would you address your mom this way?? Seems so weird
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    true, but noone can claim that the plane was flying low enough for people to make cell calls either.
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    if the terrorists were looking for the white house most likely they were "cruising" under 10,000ft which is possible to make a cell fone call.
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    discuss!
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    Ive seen that....doesnt mean anything.
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    hmm...i really wouldnt count on it...
    i have a question though...on the planes that crashed on the twin towers: Did any of the other passengers make calls to a landline?
    if someone can trace that one down with a link i would appreciate it :)
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    http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/evidence/phonecalls.html


    There were a number of alleged voice communications from pilots, flight attendants, and passengers on the doomed flights. However, as of July 2005, it does not appear that any recordings of these calls have been made public except for 4-1/2 minutes of Betty Ong's call from Flight 11, which supposedly lasted 23 minutes. 1 The status of the phone calls alleged to have been made by flight crews and passengers is as follows.

    Flight 11
    Madeline Sweeney's phone call: Flight attendant Sweeney allegedly placed a cell phone call to her ground manager Michael Woodward starting at 8:21 and talked for 25 minutes, until the plane crashed. The caller related many details such as wounds by victims of the hijackers to seat numbers of the hijackers. 2 There are conflicting reports on whether the call was recorded.
    Betty Ong's phone call: Flight attendant Betty Ong allegedly called Vanessa Minter at American Airlines reservations at 8:21, and talked for 23 minutes, until the plane crashed. Nydia Gonzalez also listened in from 8:27. The FBI refused to release a recording of the first 4-1/2 minutes of the conversation, but during the 9/11 Commission's January 27, 2004 hearing, the recording was played. 3 4
    Flight 175
    Peter Burton Hanson's phone call: Passenger Peter Burton called his father and reported details of the hijacking. The call was repeated as he was cut off several times.
    Brian Sweeney's phone call: Passenger Brian Sweeney attempted to call his wife but could only leave a message. 5
    unnamed female flight attendant call: There appears to be no public evidence of this call.
    Flight 77
    Barbara Olson's calls: Barbara Olson allegedly placed two calls to her husband, Ted Olson. The only known evidence of these calls are statements by Olson, the first on September 12th.
    Flight 93
    calls to family members and friends: at least thirteen passengers made over 30 cell phone calls, most of them short and some repeated. 6
    the last call: At 9:58, a frantic passenger called from a bathroom to report an explosion and smoke. The tape of this 911 call was seized by the FBI. The 911 operator who took the call, Glenn Cramer, was told by the FBI not to discuss the call.


    http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html
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    As far as celluar phone operation possible at 10K feet or even more - depends on where the plane is located relative to any celluar tower. When we do aerial surveys at 3K, 5K, 10K, 12K feet - cellular phone still worked at all altitudes (as we need to communicate with ground crews or communicate diagnostics) - but not the preferred method (VHF/UHF radios). Connection will sometimes drop out - nothing you can do about that - but being able to do it, not a problem. Being on a commercial plane - you may not be able to test out if a phone works or not - but since we do some much experimental operations, they let us do pretty much anything we want. Bottome line, cell phones do work in the air, even at 10K feet and higher.
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    personal experience...Cingular...no they dont.

    and 747's go to 35K feet...you said you were testing at 3K-12K feet, which an article above says its possible but when you reach over 10K you get dropped calls.
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    Yeah, you get dropped calls. Doesnt mean they cant occur.
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    at a really low altitude, they probably can. you are right.
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    At what altitude? 35K feet - I agree, probably not able to connect. I also have Cingular service when I tested it out - it maybe more of a phone capability limited and tower limitation than actual service limited or celluar technology.

    A little cellular tech for everyone (good stuff to know:(

    Note that cell towers do not radiate the signal over 360 degrees - they are "aimed" to best serve an area (cone shaped signal region). Don't think of it "aiming" in a sense of a laser beam (still radio transmission) but the signal overall power drops off very quickly from the intended direction. If the overlap between cell towers is good enough - how they aim the towers is less important. Reason why some people do not get signal in the air - they are directly outside of a reception cone (poor reception) or phone limited (operational band). Most digital phones can connect as far as 10 miles away or more from a tower - doesn't happen normally because of tower "hand-offs" to maximize signal. While your phone is normally only communicating with one tower at a time, there are times when you have to go from one tower to another (travelling). The cell phone makes a low level connection to at least two towers (concurrently with your voice conversation) and together they decide which tower is yielding the best signal. At that point, the the tower you were on will seamlessly hand you off to the next tower to continue your conversation. If this doesn’t happen properly, your call will drop. You could also get "bumped" off - if traffic is heavy and bandwidth is limited. Planes travel much too fast for this "hand-off" to happen properly - also leading to dropped calls in the air. Some phone have better discrimination than others and can connect where others have problems.

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