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    corollarider19 New Member

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    Should kids be punished in school?

    Got in a big debate in class about this. Should teachers be able to hit ur child? I dont buy that the 8th ademendment covers this but we shall see.. debate on
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    personally i dont want someone else hitting my kid. however, the option should be left for parents to allow for it like it was when i was a kid. shit when i was in school they had corporal punishment and you feared it... was badass... you'd see someone go to the office and you KNEW they were gonna get the paddle. they'd come back red in the face and rubbin their butt... haha was funny shit
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    i think it should be allowed. we need to take the schools back.. learning has become a disruptive thing with kids just doing what they want
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    I have no idea how this has ANYTHING to do with the 8th amendment. Its two completely different subjects. Please explain that.

    And parents cant even hit their own kids anymore without going to jail. It is very rare to find a public school that allows physical punishment anymore anyways.
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    heh tell me about it ... i had a convo with one of my neighbors once who is a social worker... personally if my child wants to pull threats and shit out about getting spanked and turning me in, fine - let her... when she gets taken away and put into a foster home and the smoke has cleared from the bullshit, one less problem for me to deal with...

    now, before anyone jumps to conclusions on that last statement. anyone who knows me knows how much i love my daughter, but if she shows her ass, she gets a tap on it. I don't beat my kid, but i don't shed a tear about giving her a smack on the ass if she's being a complete turd. 98% of the time she is a great kid and doesnt do a thing wrong, but the other 2% i've gotta remind her of what happens. Now... with that said my comment above was directed at the attitude of ' go ahead and spank me, i'll call social services on you ' ... if my child's attitude and behavior has deteroriated to that level and i'm not allowed to apply some discipline, fuck it... if the state wants to butt their head in and threaten me for trying to be the best parent i know how and the child wants to play the system to avoid punishment, be gone -- call it selfish, call it whatever you want, but if my kid wants to pull shit like that I don't want anything to do with them. If i can't be 100% parent then what is the point?
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    Come to the dirty south....some in Oklahoma, Arkansas, Mississippi and Alabama i kno for sure still do it but to pin point those schools by name is another story....in Oklahoma, there arent any schools that I kno of that use that type of discipline east of Oklahoma City....west of OKC is where all the sh*t kickers are...even tho there are sh*t kickin towns north and east of OKC, its still somewhat civilized....you can literally throw a dart at a map of Arkansas and about 80% of the time, you've probably just pointed out a place that practices such discipline....

    ...newayz, for my simple opinion, i dont think they should be allowed to exercise a physical form of discipline...
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    Still dont understand where the 8th amendment comes into play......courts have come to the conclusion that the 8th amendment is not applicable to the school system.
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    yeah im pondering that one too... (just finished reviewing some of that stuff)
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    it has to due with cruel and unusual punishment.. i havent seen any applications that says it doesnt deal with the school system. if it doesnt fall under this then what law is it breaking?
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    Seems like you arent listening in your classes....the 8th amendment deals with cruel and unusualt punishment in regards to those that have been found guilty by a court of law. Do some research...youre making yourself look bad. (cruel and unusual punishment used to refer to hangings, beheadings, etc by the court system)

    An argument about capital punishment and the 8th amendment would work, but comparing it to a teacher hitting a child has no correlation whatsover.....
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    that or the teacher has no idea what he/she is teaching. :)
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    Nah, I think its a lack of comprehension and knowledge of the subject matter at hand of the student. This quote proves it:
    Im sure the subject matter of the 8th amendment came up, and the subject matter of "corporal punishment" in the school system, and hes comparing the two. Some argue that the 8th amendment should be amended to include the school system...but no court has agreed to that, and I doubt any court every will

    And Matt plans on being a police officer....scary actually. If ya cant comprehend what your being taught and ya try to come off as knowing what youre talking about, youre gonna have some problems.
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    yYes I know it has to deal with corporal punishment.. but i also thought that it delt with school punishment as far as the paddle and all those other devices were concerned
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    Matt, geez of flip...corporal punishment IS that.
    8th amendment: "Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted"

    NO CORRELATION WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM

    Do you ever hear an officer say "youre under arrest for breaking the 8th amendment"
    The amendments arent laws, theyre rights.
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    i understand that.. i guess i need to come up with a better way of stating it
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    my daughter is scared of me, not to the fact that ill hit her, just she knows she cant take advantage of me like she can her mother. its because i showed her what she can and cant do. if she does something wrong and starts crying, i let her cry. doesnt bother me a bit. at her mothers house its a completely differant story. she does everything bad over there. and when she gets in trouble she starts crying. and they give her what she wants. i have only spanked my daughter once, and it wasnt hard, just enough to surprise her.

    on the school note, if someone else lays a hand on my child, ill be laying a hand on them. she gets in trouble. let me know, it wont happen again. i dont believe they should hit. didnt help me, my music teacher used to run her thumb nuckle up my spine everyday. i wouldnt stop talking in class, they told my mom. i never talked in class again.
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    i think that if its used.. use it only in certain situations.. but sometimes the threat is enough to stop kids
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    oh if my daughter is going after someone with a weapon, beat the shit out of her, she would deserve it, but i mean, they used to smack kids with a ruler for talking in class, ive seen it
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    when i was in elementary school we had a teacher who'd use a chalkboard eraser to keep students awake.

    it was effective, and had no physical effects - it just damaged pride. this nun also had an amazing pitching arm, and managed to have it smack perfectly on the soft side of the eraser hard enough to have the chalk puff off it in a cloud.

    the parents allowed it, because they knew this teacher knew what she was doing.

    now, if she were to resort to the "old school" methods with rulers and such, they'd have objected.

    my thought: if my kid's acting up in school, tell me. punish the kid with something that'll embarrass him...and tell me about it. i can guarantee said kid won't do it again, particularly if his father finds out. Mike and i have discussed childrearing, and we share a similar view on how we'd go about punishments and rewards...swats on the butt are a good thing as long as they're in moderation, and nothing more than a swat...and no one but Mike and I would be allowed to swat the kid.

    we'd also keep it within the bounds of our home...where disciplining ones child should start.
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    My view on it.

    I'd be damned if someone lays a hand on my kid besides me. You have to start showing them about respect and manners at a young age. If the parents do a good job then there shouldn't be an issue. I've seen kids who are raised in a household where the parents show them right from wrong and the kid is very well behaved. I also know another two kids who do what they want even after they get told not to do it. They're the demon's children, IMO. lol.

    Also, lets say they were to put back the "Old School" type of punishment back in schools. Do you honestly think this would work in the ghettos? Think about it. The way kids are these days, either they'll come to school strapped or their parents will show up ready to kick someone's ass.

    When I was in TaeKwonDo, they had this new instructor who liked to discipline the students. Well apparently the korean kids got it worse cause their parents felt that if they misbehaved, the instructor had the right to do what he wanted. Well one day he made us all get on all 4 to do some type of move but one korean kid was acting up. well homeboy took the bamboo stick and hit that kid so hard in the ass that he went flying!! He hit him so hard that he bled a little bit. And the kids parents were okay with that shit! They NEVER laid a hand on me or any of the other american kids unless the parents said it was okay. but that was the first time that new instructor took it mad hard on someone.

    So all in all, I don't think its a good idea and nor do I think it should be put back into the school system. Its just asking for problems for the teacher themselves and the school system.
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    Not tryin to tell you how to exercise your role as a father...but....if your daughter feels somewhat "scared" of you now, she'll probably end up with-holding things from you in the future or maybe even lower both of your social relationships, and possibly to the point where she may feel annoyed of something as small as your presence...newayz, just shedding a little criticism on this....once again, please dont take offense to it...
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    I dont think he meant she was "scared" of him....i understand what hes saying, in the sense that my son knows that he'll get it if he flat out disobeys or mouths off, etc.
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    yeah what e said, she doesnt run or cower from me, shes perfectly fine, but if she thinks about doing something wrong, she always looks at me first before trying it, then if i say no, she says ok and goes about her business doing something else. shes 3 yrs old, and always says please and thank you. and asks before she does anything, most times she knows im going to say yes, she also understand theres times that certian things shouldnt be done.

    she knows im not going to give into her if shes doing something shes not supposed to, unlike at her mothers house she goes into drama queen and gets anything
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    Unless ya have kids, ya dont understand
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    I remember when a teacher of mine back in 3rd grade pushed my desk over on to me because I did not organize its contents correctly. One day I got like 6 other students to help me push over her giant desk and vandalize the shit out of it :D So I guess what I am trying to say is go ahead and punish kids but your going to get yours in the end, kids don't stay kids forever. I actually went back to one of my grade schools as an adult to find a teacher that used to hit me with a ruler. Lucky for her she didn't work there anymore because I was going to give her the scare of her life. I'm all for punishment if it is the last resort and the kid has not responded well in any other way but if you go right out of the gate swinging then you deserve to get your ass kicked. Thats my 2 cents :D
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    Thats mature.
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    indeed, it's a whole new perspective on life for sure. lol
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    how old are you? 12? :confused: :rolleyes:
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    Yeah, I'm 12 years old :rolleyes:
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    based on that statement, you are.

    who in their right mind would grow to physical adulthood and go back to their ELEMENTARY SCHOOL to pick on a teacher? that's REAL mature, buddy...grow up.
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