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Need some insight please!!

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    Rolljah nunu

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    Need some insight please!!

    Okay, I just want to know WHAT is a "celica supra"? My family has been into toyotas for a long LONG time. My mom used to own a 85 & 86 corolla SR5 then a celica gt-s. Dad used to own a 94 Supra but wanted a family car instead. I've never really heard of a "celica supra" so could someone please educate me about this car. This is the first time I'm so lost about a car. :sad:
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    orignaly the supra was a celica sub-model... then they made it its own car.. thats why the mid 90's celicas and supras look kinda the same
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    yeah I noticed that. One of the ways to tell them apart were the tail and head lights.

    So are you saying that the "celica supra" is the supra that had the celica body style? If so, IS THAT ALL IT IS?!?! :superconf

    One of the reasons why I ask this is because my BF popped that question on me and I just didn't know how to answer him. He didn't know what it was but because he works at the local auction, he saw one there today and the front emblem said "celica supra". I'm just trying to understand a little better so I can give him the correct info. He's clueless as well.
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    toyota celica supra

    kinda like the subaru WRX sti
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    I believe those are referred to as the Mark I Supra as well. The Mark I was 1979-1980. The Toyota Supra actually started its life with a hint as a late 60's sports car produced by Toyota, the 2000GT. The name Supra first came out in 1979 when they slapped a 2.6 liter (the 4-ME - also was fuel injected oddly enough). This car, the first generation of the Supra, was given the name Toyota Celica Supra. The 1981 model received the 5ME engine, which had a displacement of 2.8 liters.

    I can drop some more knowledge about the Mark II and let 7MGTTEConcept go off on the Mark III and IV
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    Please do. This is very interesting for me. :prod:
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    The first Celica Supra was introduced to America in 1979 as Toyota's response to the popular Datsun (a.k.a Nissan) Z-Car. Built on a Celica chassis that was lengthened 5.1 inches, the Supra replaced the Celica's 4-cylinder with a 2.6-liter SOHC inline-6.
    In appearance, the Supra was distinguished from the Celica by it's longer wheelbase, wide "B" pillar, unique grille (styled after the 2000GT) and its badging. The first generation Supra is commonly referred to as the Mark I (MKI).
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    1979: The first Celica Supra is introduced in America. Built on a Celica chassis that was lengthened 5.1 inches, the Supra replaced the Celica's 4-cylinder with a 2.6-liter SOHC inline-6. It also featured a four-link rear suspension with coil springs, lateral track bar and stabilizer bar. In appearance, the Supra was distinguished from the Celica by its longer wheelbase, wide "B" pillar, unique grille (styled after the 2000 GT) and its badging.
    1980:(Ed note: Thanks to Christopher Eng for the following information) Changes are mostly cosmetic for the interior and exterior. The interior gets a redesigned/reshaped center console and a digital quart clock (the 79s had a analog quartz clock). On the exterior are redesigned left/right side view mirrors, the 14x5.5 aluminum rims, which were optional in 79, are now standard (the 79s had steel rims w/plastic wheel covers standard). In addition body molded mudflaps become available. On the Copper Metallic and White cars the flaps were painted the body color while on all other colors the flaps were left black. On the rear of the flaps, painted in white lettering, was the word "Celica".
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    1981: The big news is a new 2.8 liter SOHC engine that boasts 116 hp and 145 ft-lbs of torque. (hey it may not seem like much today but in 1981 these were fairly respectable numbers). A new Sports Performance Package is offered as an option including sport suspension, raised white letter tires, and front and rear spoilers. Alas this is the last year that an 8-track stereo tape deck is to be offered.
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    In 1982 Toyota introduced the second generation Supra, or MKII, with a 2.8-liter Double-Overhead-Cam (DOHC) inline 6-cylinder engine (the 5M-GE). The new engine developed 145 horsepower and launched the Supra as Toyota's performance leader.
    The new Supra still shared its basic chassis design with the more plebian Celica although Toyota added numeous styling and mechanical changes to further differentiate the two models. The most distinctive Supra identification was the front styling with distinctive disappearing headlamps, long power bulge hood and slit grill with integrated driving lights. Additional styling cues included wheel flares (later shared with the Celica GT-S), roof-mounted spoiler, and exterior paint schemes. On the mechanical side the Supra had four wheel disc brakes and an independent rear suspension (both of these were also shared with the Celica GT-S). The 1982 Supra was such a formidible execution of design and engineering that it won Motor Trend's Import Car of the Year award.
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    1982: The second generation Supra is introduced. Still based on the Celica platform the new Supra sports a completely unique front end design including: hood, fenders, bumpers, and grill. The heart of the new Supra is a 2.8 liter, DOHC, electronically fuel injected, 6-cylinder engine producing 145 hp. There are two models available: "performance" or P-Type and "luxury" or L-Type. The P-Type is came equipped with flared fenders, unique 7" wide aluminum alloy wheels shod with 225/60HR14 tires, standard 5-speed manual transmission, and optional rear window sunshade spoiler. The L-Type or "luxury" model went without the wheel flares and sunshade spoiler but offered some special option packages not available on the performance model such as a leather seat trim package and a digital electronic display package. The L-Type also featured special aluminum alloy wheels shod with 195/70SR14 tires. The L-Type rims were also available on the Celica as an option. An optional 4-speed automatic overdrive transmission was available on the L-Type only.
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    1983: The engines output is increased by 5 hp to 150 hp and a new "electronically controlled" 4-speed automatic transmission is made available. Other changes include the addition of platinum tipped spark plugs, a new differential ratio on the 5-speed. The sunshade is now standard on the performance model. The L-Type gets a new standard cloth interior. Mudflaps are now available on the performance model along with headlight washers. For some strange reason the headlight washers are not available on the L-Type. A leather interior, previously available only on the L-Type, is made available mid-year as an option on the P-type.
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    1984:The Supra recieves it's first slew of minor updates, primarily cosmetic. On the exterior the front spoiler is redesigned to improve high-speed aerodynamics. New wrap around parking/turn signal/side marker lights replace the separate markers used on the 82-83 models. On the rear, the hatch is now body colored, unlike the previous year models which were all black regardless of body color. The small Supra logo in the right rear corner of the hatch is replaced with Supra spelled out in large outline letters across the full width of the hatch. The rear taillights are also updated with the most visual change being the relocation of the reverse lights from the center of the lens to the inside next to the license plate frame. The previous pull open door handles are replaced by a flip up design. The interior recieves numerous updates as well including a new two-spoke steering wheel, a new 130 mph speedometer (finally killing the stupid 85 mph version). The control pods on the sides of the instrument cluster which housed the cruise control and rear defroster controls are replaced with switchs for the rear defroster and a main activation switch for the cruise control (the functions for setting, cancelling, and resuming cruise control are moved to the windshield washer stalk), and the power door lock switch moves from the center console to the door armrest. The previous year's cassette/equalizer radio upgrade is now standard.
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    1985: Changes from the 84 model are subtle with the most significant change being a redesigned rear spoiler. The single large sunshade spoiler is replaced by an integrated sunshade (flush to the hatch) and lower rear spoiler. The two-tone paint option is revised so that instead of just the lower portion of the car (below the side trim) being painted in a different color, the top of the car is painted to match as well. The L-Type gets new 15" rims shod with 205/60/15's. The new rims are a flattened version of the performance model's wheels and are quite rare. A Toyota factory alarm system is offered and this was the first year that heated power side view mirrors were made available. The radio is redesigned with most things being the opposite of before. The equalizer is now smaller and mounted below the radio. The main radio controls are moved to the driver's side of the radio and the station buttons are now located above rather than below the station indicator window.
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    1986: While 1985 was to be the last year of the second generation model, delays in production of the third generation model put Toyota in the position of having no model to sell at the start of the 1986 season. To fill the gap, Toyota held over the 1985 model. This holdover required the installation of the new for 86 mandatory center high mounted stop light (CHMSL). The CHMSL was mounted in the center of the lower spoiler. It has been relayed to me by owners of these cars that they were sold and registered as 1986 models. The L-Type was not carried over to 1986.
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    taken from http://www.celicasupra.com
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    Wow... that's a lot of info! Thanks ... now my brain feels heavier. :lol
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    Here's some info on the III & IV --- Mike (7MGTTEConcept) can give some more input on the 3.

    Mark III: (1986.5-1992)
    The third generation of the Supra was the first time when the Supra was not based on the Celica platform. Mid-year 1986 was when this third generation, the Mark III, came out. It was originally supposed to have come out in the beginning of the 1986 model year, but production problems set the date back. The first Mark III cars are actually referred to as 1986.5. A new 200hp normally-aspirated engine, the 7M-GE, came out with the completely redesigned Mark III. This was still an inline-6 with dual overhead cams and fuel injection, but had a displacement 3.0 liters. 1987 saw the availability of the turbo model in the form of the 230 hp 7M-GTE, which had an intercooled turbo and electronically-controlled ignition. The 1989 models saw minor exterior improvements including some tail light work. The Japanese version of the MKIII actually had a 6-cylinder 2.5 liter engine with twin turbos, which was known as the 1JZA-GTE. I have heard that the four-banger was put in Japanese cars because the government taxes people on the displacement and the number of cylinders in the motor, but not if there are turbos on it (or at least not as much!).

    Mark IV: (1993-1998)
    1993 saw the introduction of the fourth generation of the Supra, the Mark IV. This was a completely redesigned, refined luxury sports car with an asking price of approximately $40,000!!! The car was available in a normally-aspirated version and a turbo engine. The NA engine, the 2JZ-GE pushes out 225 hp, and the twin-turbo (yes, that's two turbos) 2JZ-GTE has a horse power rating of 320. Many, many options were available on this vehicle, most of which were luxury in nature. Due to the very high price of this new Supra, sales were not as brisk as with earlier models and this pretty much led to the death of the Supra in the US market.

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