News Try This

no comment

werd..

I agree with you e_andree, if they are illegal immigrants, they have no rights in my eyes (except a swift kick in the ass, repeated as often as necessary to kick them back into their country)

i have to agree with the statments made by e and TV. though i live in an area that is absurdly high in illegals. it gets out of hand and winds up making things worse. Though our family came over here they came over here legally and the family has been here for several generations. But after seeing how some take things for granted they figure they could do this to the U.S. I am not stating just about Mexico but for other people from other countries who do the same.

sorry, god

my thoughts exactly...

they should never have rights if they want to become a citizen do it the legal way. I just dont understand how we can give these people drivers lic and medical coverage it sickens me when there are homeless people out there who have less then these imagrants and we give them food and shelter but not our own homeless. I think its been in our blood to let these people into our country ever since ellas island we have had open arms to all sorts of people and have built up tolerant and simpathy for them. We bend and bend and bend for these people and look what they end up doing to our country.. 9-11 occured because we were lax in customs. I say we should shut our borders for 5-10 years and try and catch all the illegal imagrants in this country and toss them out. I know that seems kind of irratical but its just my 2cents

I agree with whats been said. These people are Illegal! They are a drain on our economy and most importantly on our social and health services. On a related note, I think those coming here from other countries need to learn english. I mean I remember kids going through 12 years of public school taking ESL classes, and never learning english. I mean allowing them to do ESL is doing them a HUGE injustice, as they'll have a hell of a time making it without knowing english. The way I see it, either LEARN ENGLISH, or get out of the country. Don't bitch and complain about rights and bilingual this and that.

well english is the hardest lang to learn but i agree mike

Regardless try making the homeless do some of the jobs that these illegal immigrants do on a daily basis, I bet you they would not do it! I believe that the type of behavior described above is more pronounced in large metropolitan areas (NYC, LA, Miami, etc) and not neccesarily by illegal immigrants. There is nothing thought provoking about those statements.

Try kicking out every single immigrant, and not just Mexicans, but every single illegal immigrant out of the USA and see how fast this country's economy will collapse. You can go to any rural area and no one will speak Spanish, or any other language, just English. Hell and in some places their English can even be considered a second language! This is no different as Southern Pride, or West Coast pride, or whatever you want to name. People will at first resist assimilation, but in the end they will adapt.

In NYC in the late 80's, early 90's we had subway cars with both English and Spanish signs. They got rid of them in the early 2000 I believe, and a lot of people bitched at first. But guess what after the first few months no one cared anymore. No one has died from not understanding the signs, just common sense.

What is really bad is a good old USA citizen taking advantage of illegal immigrants to do dirty jobs, like day laborers that are promised $50 for a 12 hour hard work day, and in the end they get cheated. I bet you if you do a deep research there are more US Citizens taking advantage of dissability and welfare than there are illegal citizens, why because they are all doing the dirty jobs that no one else wants to do. I say don't knock them down until you have walked a mile in their shoes, and then get back to me.

In the end this whole country was founded with illegal immigrants, we would not be where we are now if it was not because of them.

Oh yeah and "No Comment"

nice, this should make for a good debate, or a heated battle

Laz, how were they illegal immigrants? They came over through Ellis Island before our current immigration laws were enacted?

Talking about when people first settled in North America, Mayflower time. Way before Ellis Island. Sure it is stretching the subject, but that can be said as well of the statements in the first post.

The thing that bothers me about the first post is that it is a generalization. It would be good if it was a study and it showed the amount of illegal immigrant that successfully have become legal resident aliens and that have paid taxes even before they became legal residents. And it would also be good to see figures as to how many illegal residents abuse the system.

I can give you a good example about other things that raise my taxes. So I own a house in Neighborhood X, it just so happens that the rate of school bound kids just rose by 10% from legal US citizens and my taxes are raised to support the local schools, and yet I do not have kids. I am mad since I have to pay for other kids to go to school, but yet I choose to live in neighborhood X because it is better than living in neighborhood Y.

Yes I don't disagree that illegal immigration from every part of the world is a problem in the USA and is capital earning, but do you really think that if the USA wanted to stop illegal immigration completely they would have done so already? They don't because it is in their best interest. That is why the IRS created a special Tax Return ID for all illegal immigrants in order to collect taxes, but yet not give them all the benefits of US Citizena, or legal residents.

What gets me annoyed is ignorant statements like the one posted on the first page that try to start a debate by making the casual reader think that Mexicans (and I am not Mexican) are proud people that only migrate to the USA to use resources designated for US citizens, and in return their gross contribution to the country is less than what they consume in resources.

If the statement was more like "According to a recent study 55% of all illegal immigrants to the United States that work here are paid on the books therefore leaving 45% of income that is untaxed (roughly 4 million people). Being that 2/3 of available public assistance is only for legal US citizens how much does the population of illegal immigrants that are working and not paying taxes really affect what we pay?"

Of course this is what a debate is for, but we could debate anything, like the amount of disabled veterans that are going to need public assistance now and after the Iraq war is done, and guess where that money is comming from? Or the failing Social Security where I may or may not see any returns, but yet I still have to pay or I would be breaking the law?

So I am just criticizing the poor example chosen to start this debate.

X

Someone left something off the list.


Go to Mexico and work for next to nothing and do any job, especially hard labor, that another Mexican is already not doing.



...

Laz's comments reflect my feelings exactly.

yea, they do it, but its just not quite going with the whole 'theme' enough to make the list, huh. well, thats just a surprise to me.

Does anyone here have the ability of being objective?

I just can't fathom how bad it must be that people in some other countries will risk everything to get here. (Well actually after being in Iraq, I can.) Sounds extremely judgemental and selfish to me to hold the other attitude. I wonder how many of us have illegal immagrants in our family years and years back...I bet I would not be suprised at the number. Yet once we get in, turn around and close the door on others? I love this one, "They're taking our jobs" Bullshit. Those jobs, Americans won't work. Last I saw, I did not see an illegal immagrant holding the CEO position of Microsoft...

The Mexicans and others work other jobs that NOONE would want, whether it is their choice or not, they would rather do that than be forced to live in another country that doesn't have what we do. Why? Because they happened to be born there, they deserve it? I hear people fall back on the "yeah well they should follow the system" blah blah blah...Does anyone know how long the system takes? Anyone? I don't, but I hear it is extremely slow...

Another point to ponder
...we STOLE this country in the first place, and wiped the settlers that lived here, pretty much out...Then we set up a government, claim the landf or ourselves and close the doors...And we complain that others are coming in illegally...

Hypocrite comes to mind...

Who the hell do you think made those laws?? Those of us weho robbed this land from the Native Americans, and claimed it, THEN made the damn laws!

system takes 5 years sometimes a little more.....I have a sister waiting for all her documents to go thru...its been 5 years so far...still waiting...

I see your point as well though our family has been there for a long,long time.
the system is slow very slow.i have no problem with them working but when shit hits the ceiling and there is nothing you can do about it and its them wj fuck up they won't admit to it. i have family in mexcio,US, Italy,Germany and other countries and they admit to this as well and some are not us citzens. Yes mexcians or hispanics in general will take any work but like e said it is thier choice and the choices in life they make will have a/an lasting effect on them and thier families. Our family was very wealthy and we still are but not as much. yet people ask me why did get in? becasue i had another direction planned for myself and i learned very early that money is not eveything and it comes and goes in a flash. but the choices in life and the direction you take is something every person has to consider, because as much as some hate it there is a consequence for every action. the ones who are lazy will do this work and it you notice its USUALLY them who complain and cause trouble.

i agree... not only to the whole article... but i agree to those who agree as well... i dont even know why im taking spanish in school instead of french... lol...

Here in VA we just built a center for day-laborers using tax money. I'm not in favor of it, but most of them do jobs that 90% of us don't want to do and for little money. I can see both sides but the situation stinks as there are some people who abuse the system.

i realize you were trying to be serious with this post, but when i read that all i could think of was Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "HELP! HELP! I'm bein repressed! YOU saw 'im repressin me!"

All that i have to say is learn how to speak english if you come over here. I don't care if it is the hardest lang. to learn, learn it anyways.

being bilingual is great

granted it can get annoying at times when someone doesn't speak english.

But a few things. 1) ur statement made no sense. If something is hard to learn to begin with, how is someone going to learn it anyways? 2) I can see teaching the younger generation to speak english quicker because they're still young and can catch on to things. 3) Not every other adult can learn things quick because alot of them never had the proper education in their country or just don't have the ability to learn things. Others are just too old to learn something new.