Car in the shop!!!!!

So what are we gonna do for the winner

I'll bet he's got anywhere between 170-190 total hp, possibly 200 hp at the most. Screw the "to the flywheel". Come on now...be realistic. Most of the hp will be lost by the time power is transferred to the wheel. I look at his mod, and all he's got is intake, exhaust, and supercharger. Don't count the cosmetics and suspension stuff. That's basically it. The supercharger pumping out the most hp. I don't think the little accessories will increase the hp that much (pulley, water injection, midpipe). He might gain like 5 hp or somwhere around there. Intake and full exhaust might be around 5-10 hp extra. Unichip helps it a bit to regulate increase air/fuel mixture, but after that, I still don't think he can push 245 hp!!! Damn. Unless I see a copy of his dyno sheet on what he is putting down, it will be hard to believe. I am doubtful.

maybe he's got an auto and that's why he's only got 170ish at the wheels.

Wait a second you are skeptical and you think that intake and full exhaust is only 5-10 horsepower. I have already dynoed my car and been 212 to the flywheel. And when you say screw the flywheel hp that is actually one of the best ways to get an accurate picture of what your engine is creating. UNichip tunes my car and they want to know how much power they are making not how much power I am loosing because of my 18s or other factors like that. Its a more accurate way for them. And the header has been dyno tested to increase wheel hp by about 10, I got over 10 hp from my intake alone, Zolitz pulled his mid pipe out and lost 12 lbs of wheel torque and theoretical the smaller pulley runs 1.5 lbs more boost which equals 15 hp once again theoritically. So right there is atleast 30 additional hp from my last 212 dyno which equals 242 pretty damn close too 200 whp anyways. And I have a stick.

P.S. My last dyno I was around 172-178 whp if you calculate it at a 16-18 percent loss.

If you say so. I have a stick too, but I don't have headers on or intake anymore (keeping it legal). It was just hard to believe from what little mods can do to achieve 70 additional hp. It seems like the supercharger itself pumps out only 40 + hp.

So it seems like intake and exhaust (your headers and increased midpipe with high flow cats) are the results of such huge boost, primarily.

What about the people that don't have the supercharger? If they get the midpipe and all that stuff with intake, they'll get a large boost out of that maybe close to 200 hp from 130 hp?

i would think by having the supercharger, the intake/headers/exhaust gains would be higher than the gains of the i/h/e on NA.

with the supercharger you are pushing so much more air through the car. With all the restrictions you have being stock you sacrifice a lot of power and true potential of the supercharger. You would believe it if you road in the car

the winner shall recieve a date with a porn star courtesy of howard stern....haha...

can they pick the porn star? I'd want one of the less abused ones.

I think they're all abused....lol

I'm going to see Tyler sometime soon and teach him how to drag his car effectivaly. I have an LSD though and less power so it should be interesting to see the race if we have one. I should kill him off the line but he will blow by me like I'm sitting still after 30MPH or so :?

I guess 243 at the crank.

No, I will dyno my car with headers/midpipe/exhaust/intake but it's NA. I'll see where I stand then with my LSD and huge 19's.

The reason Tyler is gaining so much is that his engine is under boost, you exponentially increase gains with boost (can't remember the equation right now though).

He should be right around 240-250 HP at the crank.

I'd have to say 235-250 at the crank. Tom, I can understand how it wouldn't make sense that he could be making that much HP. But with FI you are just pushing more air in and the stock NA parts are not enough to efficiently make use of all that air. Next week when I get the header and midpipe put on, I'll let you know the difference in "feel". My rolla is similar to yours right now in engine setup. I don't even have a CAI anymore. Tyler already had his car dyno'ed at 212 before the header, midpipe. Even before the water injection and pulley working properly. To give you an idea of how these little things can add up...check out Eric's Solara on the JP performance website. With all the little add-ons he is putting 271 Wheel Horsepower to the ground. Everything adds up and any FI put on just as APC Matrix mentioned, exponentially raises the bar.

BTW that Solara is bada$$. I saw it today and talked to Eric. They acheived 155MPH at the Fontana track, passed a M3 that hit its speed limiter.

Man, that sounds good. I'll have to get my exhaust redone and that TRD muffler I got is killing me.

Any word on when you get some dyno time Tyler? Or when one of your days off is next week?

Hey whats up Chris. I will be off Monday and Tuesday and I am going up to the dyno on Tuesday. Let me know if you want to come into town...

I'll stop by a week from this Tuesday if that's alright. Gives me time to plan it and make sure it's ok and crap like that :wink: Any chance of getting on a track then cause I would love to run my car and also run yours too and see if I can beat your times, lol.

Well I am not very happy with the results but I am at 285 whp at 6000 rpms. I dont know why they didnt show about 6 grand on the graph but I figure if they would have it would have been more. It was also 93 out when the car was on the dyno is that didnt help one bit either. So I guess considering those 2 factors it wasnt too bad. The car is running a lot better since the retune though. Idles smoother and accelerates smoother and harder. Gained another 10 all the way up the line from the retune.

Actually I was making 186.4 at 4500 rpms. That is weird how my max power is so low in the power band. Hmmm.... any ideas.

why are you not happy w/ your results? I would love to have those numbers.

Well forget what I just said the 186.4 is torque and the sheets dont say if thats to the wheels or flywheel so now I am confused because they told me it was whp lol. Well that explains why the rpm drop. Will let you guys know what I find out.

i'd smack those guys around until they got their act together

that'd be great if u have 184tq at the wheels, prolly put ur hp at about 200

do u have the water injection and the header& midpipe yet?

I think they screwed something up, lol. Sounds like you are going to kill me next week if we meet up Tyler, lol I'll try my best to keep up though, but you will fly by me as if I'm standing still :cry:

Now go get some good numbers for us to look at :wink:

has this been clarified yet tyler?

hey Blk03Corolla, can you repeat those numbers again? did you mean 185 whp at 6000, and not 285 whp? cuz 285whp..... you'll need a new tranny for that!

update?

thats what i was thinking...

Got My JP Header and Midpipe Installed

Just got My JP Header and Midpipe Installed

First Impression - my powerband is stronger across the board and the acceleration is noticeable different.

My brother drove the car from Santa Ana to LA and he loved it. On my way home, we had my brother, my nephew, and about 100 lbs of extra weight in the trunk for the drive. Even with the A/C on the car accelerated with ease and smoothness. The sound is definitely louder across the band. For the performance minded, the sound is not annoying like some setups that are loud during idle and acceleration. The best way I can describle it is like a low hum that with the taunt of the gas pedal roars and wants to be heard.

The sound is smooth, controlled, and exhilarating. For the quiet minded ones out there, this may not be the setup for you.