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    Price of fuel SURE to drop Sept 1?

    BULLETIN ITEM: The Petrofraud Bubble - Gas Prices Sure To Drop After Sept 1

    MWM: The Inevitable Drop In The Price Of Oil/Gas - the Petrofraud Bubble currently underway is a mirror of the Housing Speculation Bubble. This bubble will also break - just after Labor Day and take down gas prices and more of the world's financial institutions, who have bid up the price of oil (and nominal profits) to hide their losses on mortgages. Impossible to predict the amount of the deflation but I would expect a minimum of 20%. MORGAN STANLEY will be one of the big time losers, according to this information below. In the meantime, ride the trains. They are bargain priced compared to air and highway travel.

    The only reservation in this analysis would be a barbarous Israeli attack or one of its false-flag terrorist operations, or both, in the MIddle East which seriously diminishes the delivery of oil.






    June is Bustin’ Oil All Over!

    Michael Fox
    email: TheCulturedEconomist@yahoo.com
    June 18, 2008

    http://www.321energy.com/editorials/fox/fox061808.html

    According to Rep Peter DeFazio (D-Or), the entity that owns the most oil in the United States right now is not ExxonMobil or Chevron or Valero: it’s Morgan Stanley. So what’s Morgan Stanley doing with all that oil? Speculating on the petrofraud bonanza.

    The problems with the short-sightedness of this utterly stupid investment pattern are many:

    1. The faster they ratchet up the cost of oil, and, in turn, the gasoline that comes from it, the faster the public will change its patterns of consumption, the demand will go down, and the bottom will fall out of the market. That is the most logical supply-and-demand scenario, which ends in Morgan Stanley left holding billions of dollars of lost equity on the oil futures contracts. Note that Ford, GM. and Toyota – so far – have shuttered factories building large SUVs and trucks (the behemoth Toyota Tundra got axed today), thus, even the opportunity to continue buying these gas guzzlers has begun to be eliminated. GM has already hybridized the most ostentatious gas sucker of them all – the Cadillac Escalade – thus more than doubling the city mileage of that vehicle.

    2. There is no reason for oil prices to be what they are, because there is no shortage. If there were a shortage, there would be rationing and/or gas lines. We have been through genuine shortages, most recently in 1979. In 1979, the price of gasoline increased from 69¢/gallon to 99¢/gallon, while an OPEC embargo was keeping the flow to a trickle. That was an increase of 43%. With no embargo, why has gasoline gone up over 100% in the past year (it is roughly $5/gallon in Los Angeles today, and was less than $2.50/gallon a year ago)?

    3. The curves of a bubble are predictable, and this one, as was discussed here last month in Blowing Bubbles, is following in the pattern of several previous bubbles. Only this bubble, according to the economists at Bloomberg happens to be exceeding the curve of the dot.com bubble, which, when it burst, caused a loss of SIX TRILLION DOLLARS. Let me repeat. This bubble exceeds that one.

    4. The “Enron Exemption”, part of a commodities trading legislation written by former Senator Phil Gramm (now John McCain’s economics advisor), has enabled the kind of under-regulated commodities trading that is still happening in energy markets. Enron was a private company engaging in capitalism without ethics (remember those?); the devastation was limited to the energy consumers in California (38 million people) who had to empty their wallets to cool their homes during a blistering hot summer, and, ultimately, investors, employees and the auditing firm that oversaw the criminality. The present oil bubble is dearly costing every driver in North America, Europe and Asia, and will, upon bursting take down Morgan Stanley and several other large investment companies that are deeply invested in oil futures, and with them, millions of investors.

    5. The Oil Ministers of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and even the President of Iran have all said that there is no reason for the present trading price of oil. Well, they don’t get paid that price for most of the oil that is pumped from their soil (they are paid a fractional royalty), but they are, of course, making vulgar amounts of money from this bubble. They clearly, however, can see that the end result will be the reduction of demand, and after the inevitable price decline, they will suffer long-term.

    6. As certain as I am about the forthcoming collapse of this bubble, is how certain I am that the price of gasoline will plummet after Labor Day (Sept. 1). The powers-that-be will want you to have forgotten the “pain at the pump” by Election Day. But you won’t forget. How could you? If you have any retirement savings or oil stocks, you will be broke. If you have a gas guzzling car it will have no resale value. And while the Fed may bail out still more investment houses (thus further devaluating the dollar) they will not bail you out. You won’t get a dime back.


    Michael Fox
    email: TheCulturedEconomist@yahoo.com
    June 18, 2008
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    GSE21tuner Formerly rollatuner110. Representing AZLexus.club

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    The only one I'm not sure about is the consumption rate. Over here, I don't see people changing their driving habits or cars at all. I still see SUV's and trucks in almost the same amounts as before the price hike.
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    When it gets up to 6, 7 bucks a gallon, people wont have a choice but to change their habits.
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    GSE21tuner Formerly rollatuner110. Representing AZLexus.club

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    Well, GM cutting production on the Hummer and another heavy duty truck is a sign a change I guess. But you're right. It's up to the individual to change their habits, even if it's forced.
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    94corolla-chafita uhh im a dude..

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    its because us americans are pigs. we like to hog everything.... oo, gas is $5, i dont care, im to fat to walk or to important to use public transportation..., ill only use my fatass excursion to go to work and back...

    holey cheese batman!!! you guys are awake! its 6:39 over here im bearly going to bed... :O
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    No, it's laziness and materialism. People just want to flaunt their money around. That was the excuse Hummer drivers gave all the time. "You hate on us because you can't afford it." What a selfish, cocky, ignorant thing to say...
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    laziness.... to fat to walk
    materialism.... im too important to be seen in a bus

    i guess you said it better, lol but thats what i was getting at
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    Well, I honestly dont think its either, but......
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    i wonder by how much it will go down by when the time comes.
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    I think "Driving Habbits" won't change in LA area. first of all, you need a car always to get somewhere, second, carpooling is hard since everyone is so far away from each other, third, people who have SUV's and trucks.. could trade in for a new more economical car but many may end up spending more money so they just keep their current car, and so on. I just wish they made public transportation a lot more easy and cheaper. if they do that and really pushed public transportation, I wouldn't drive my car.. it wont be about changing my driving habbits anymore, i would just have an alternative transportation method.
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    i really dont think the prices will go down that much.

    If i could take the trolly to work here in san diego i would. Now if they can only get the trolly across the damn coronado bridge then I will be on that bad boy every day.

    I would like to see if the majority of the country got fed up with these prices and found alternate methods of travel for the next 4 to 6 months and see where that gets us. There will be no other way but to lower the gas prices because the demand would be so little.

    The demand for gas is so retarted high and people like myself with these retarted gas guzzlers that is driving that demand even higher.
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    U.S. Historical Gas Price Drops - Summer Maximum to Fall Minimum (Approximate:(

    2007 - 13%
    2006 - 29%
    2005 - 31%
    2004 - 15%
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    Gas prices always drop in the fall around october and november. Its always been like that, e_andree even threw up the actual statistics. Expect it to fall this year too but I think we will still be around $4.50 in the fall because I expect the price to get up to $5.00min by end of summer.
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    its about 4.35ish here for a regular.

    im gonna be crazy and say that regular won't exceed $5 by end of summer. it might go above it but i think it will go back down. thats my prediction :)
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    I can see it getting above 5 dollars but who knows... I am just upset that I talked to my two days ago and she is in VA beach and she is paying 3.68 for gas. I wish i was still paying that.
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    talked to your girlfriend?
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    whoops...my ex wife. sorry
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    But even when gas prices go down, it's only a temporary relief. Gas prices overall will keep climbing. Just wait until next summer. I can only see 6 and 7 dollars.
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    ^^^insane!!!

    what should be done is what they do in mexico city. theres so much pollution and cars especially taxis on the roads, its crazy. so they only allow you to drive on certain days by the last digits on your plates.

    its very effective there it should be done here imo.

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