Business must be really bad for GM, Chrysler

Business must be really bad for GM, Chrysler

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yes it sucks for me cuz i work for GM.

yea cuz Toyota cars are selling quite fast and same w/ honda they are doing well too... GM the No.1 automaker in the world is feeling pressure from Toyota which in the last few yrs catch up and blow by Chrysler and Ford... Toyota's target is to be No.1 b4 2010...

yea if GM needs to get rid of the buick line, the oldsmobile line, and the pontiac line! What they need to stop doing it Rebadging these cars man! its awful to see the Chevy cobalt ls and the pontiac G6 in the same boat or the Oldmobile Bravada, Chevy Trailblazer, GMC Envoy, and Now the SAAB 9-7 have the same platform also! its boring!

how is GM doing on gas mileage? How are they doing on small cars?

they're good in gas mileage the thing is that the car designs over all and what not people don't like, plus Honda and Toyota are more reliable in the long run as we all know.... the only thing saving GM is their pick-up trucks since they're good quality but Ford is even competitive in that field instead of Toyota.

the reality of the fact is the customers are not paying the same price as employees. the best commercial i am hearing right now is the one where hyundai is pin pointing toyota and honda. to bad they don't have the reliabilty

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You said you work at GM? Well, the Oldsmobile line is already (its been gone for a bit now), and the Chevrolet Cobalt and Pontiac G6 are not on the same platform, its the Chevrolet Cobalt, Pontiac Pursuit and Saturn ION that share the same platform. The Pontiac G6 shares its platform with the Chevrolet Malibu.<br />
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But, like you said, GM should definitely cut down on its platforms. Look at Toyota, they have 3, Toyota for narmal people, Scion for the younger people and Lexus for the rich and powerful (hehe). If I we're GM, i'd keep the Chevrolet brand (most recognized), i'd keep Cadillac (very good cars coming out of there lately, and the need a luxury brand), , i'd stop re-badgin subarus and gms for SAABs (keep saab as its own brand, i you must share platforms, at least make it quite a bit different, like the euro ford focus/mazda 3/volvo s40 cousins), i'd keep pontiac as the performance/youth bran (but not with rebadged chevs, but with unique models, like Scion), i'd get rid of GMC trucks (for obvious reasons, its a chev truck with a different grill!), i'd get rid of Buick (and maybe have a lower end model for Cadillac, something just below the CTS, or like Lexus does, have two models in the same price range butf or different purporses, like the IS and ES series so that the buick faithful still have a gm car to buy)... yah, I think that would be a good start...

Toyota's at least trying to HELP GM since they're buttbuddies and all that...

Yah, gotta love the "Toyota" Cavalier they had in Japan and the Matrix/Vibe twins, and the Corolla/Prizm twins before them...

I wonder why Toyota and GM have those partnerships though? If anyone knows the reasoning behind it, it would be nice to know...

MONEY. there's no other reason for it.

lyk falfenix sed, its money. Because Toyota didn't have a very strong presence in the US, they had to partner up with a US-based company so the competition wouldn't be as stiff. Over tha yrs, Toyota has apparently dun better than GM.

oyea, i hate those look-alikes. i.e. prizms. whoever came up with that idea should f-ing get punchd in tha balls.

without the prizm, we wouldn't HAVE corollas in the US...and your facts are a bit off. Toyota partnered with GM to get around having a cap on the amount of vehicles they could sell in the states. it worked - the Corolla is still disgustingly popular.

whichever idea [cars in this case] comes out better, they should just scrap tha other one. y create competition among tha same kind of car in tha same company? its friggin stupid.

to boost sales. why not? there are people who will only buy one brand or the other - this guarantees that both sister vehicles will sell.

look at it this way - you'd rather have a Corolla, someone else would rather the Prizm. the Prizm was cheaper than the Corolla, thus making it more affordable for those who didn't want to pay the Corolla price. what's so hard to understand there? if people will buy them under both monikers, it's still helping the original brand.

e_andree: "lol"


lol, it seems that i can't quote u pal. i wonder y..hmmm, lol, its obvious y I can't quote u. newayz, r u tryen ta start sumthen with me? Or I should actually say, am I gonna hafta juggle TWO "grown ups" at once now? Psh, no problem.

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It would be interesting to get the markups for toyota vehicles and gm vehicles, and compare... im sure that toyota makes more money than gm does (after gm gives all the discounts, rebates, incentives)... would be interesting to see...

and also...to many people with High end positions. who needs a ceo for every rebadged platform and to design the body! GM is GM.. have one Engineering team to do each brand. Well GM has Way to many people working for them! Thats why they fell
flat in there face. keep

i was comparing some car prices last night after reading an article about the best cars for under 20 grand.
a 2003 pontiac vibe cost C$17k approx. a similar toyota matrix with similar equipment cost $C20k. it's amazing that even though the vibe have toyota engine... still not enough to command good resale value.

The problem is that it has a Pontiac badge on it, because the Vibe itself is not a bad vehicle (as good as the matrix, since it really is just a matrix with a different body). But, because it is a Pontiac... well, its good for people that want a Toyota at a lower price

The vibe is manufactured on the same assembly line as the crapola in nummi fremont. While the Corolla Station Wagon (I think u guys call it the matrix?) are manufactured in a plant in washington.

Some of the later 6th gen and earlier 7th gen corollas were manufacurered in Japan until they moved north america production to the fremont plant, so no without the prizm, there still would be a corolla. All corollas since the 1966 to the early 90's were manufactured in Japan. Perhaps that is why we did not get a GT trim in the 7th gen models.

some ppl like one of my friend were interested in the Vibe more than the matrix, MP5, Mazda3, etc... and they didn't even know its a toyota powered corolla based vehicle and share w/ the matrix after i told them... there first response were wow and thats a toyota powered car...

if there is no corolla plant in north america imagine what bunch of sweet corolla we couldve got... AE 100 corolla sedan GT, AE101 & AE111 Corolla Levin (probably rebadge to GTS), the AE110 w/ the cool fender flares

we don't have this discount in canada.
what we have are C$11k (cash price) brand new cavalier/sunfire. now that's damn cheap for a brand new car!!!!!!!!!!

I would love to get me a new saab

i know they're not the greatest cars but if you buy them brand new, they should be trouble-free at least of the first 5yrs.?? they really that bad?

the 9-2x's are very nice