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Engine 90 corolla gts

Discussion in 'Powertrain' started by POBI, Dec 22, 2004.

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    90 corolla gts

    i was wondering if they are good cars and also what engine do they have? are there any swaps for it? thanks
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    CadetLee Guest

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    They're Toyota, so they can't be that bad.. :p

    I believe they came with the 1.6l 4AGE -- the 4AZGE should drop in fairly easily.

    The main downside is that they're FWD..not RWD like the older GTSs.
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    It's a good car, Toyota, 4A-GE, 4 disc brakes... etc.
    And the downside is it's FWD not RWD. :(

    If you gonna get the AE92 GTS, you better go look for the last year one. (not sure if it's 92 or 93) The last year AE92 equiped with a small port 4A-GE with have output around 140hp compare to the old 4A-GE with has only around 120-130hp.

    I'm not a AE92 person so I might be wrong on these. So please correct me if I make any mistake guys. :)
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    whats the downside on fwd then it being rwd? They are just as pepy as any corolla out there and no it doesn't have 140hp its only rated at 130hp at the fly. Also why would you want to drop in the 4agz version when the 4ag has just as much potential power build up.
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    toyotaspeed90 New Member

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    those are wrong...... smallport came out in the 90 models..... 130hp at the flywheel... earlier 4age had: 88-89: 115hp, 85-87 112hp
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    For anything but snow, RWD > FWD.

    Less/no understeer
    No torque steer
    Wheel hop isn't much of an issue
    Better weight transfer
    Can't drift FWD

    etc.
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    ...

    If FWD was so great, they never would have made it. They BOTH have their advantages and disadvantages.

    The 3000GT is FWD, but it's just as fast as any.

    The advantages to RWD: traction off the line due to acceleration and rear downward force, ability to drift and oversteer easily, and some other stuff.

    Advantages of FWD? Easier to drive in snow, better in most cornering, easier to transfer power to the front wheels from the engine, less loss of power from the engine going down the diff, and some other stuff.

    You know what BMW, Porshe, Ferrair, Lotus, and Lamborghini only make RWD vehicles? Because they are performanced based sports cars, off the lot, and on the street. They are pure breed and that's the end of it. Does that make them obsolete? Maybe on the track. But do you drift on your local drive to K-Mart?

    Unless you're FWD has more than 240HP, then it IS just as good as any RWD car, with it's advantages. After 240HP, you can run into problems if you don't mod them out. But under 240, don't even rule it out.
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    It all depends of the driver. If your a good driver none of that matters. They both have there advantage and disavantage. Just how you look at it.
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    Whether you're a good driver or not, torque steer sucks.

    Whether you're a good driver or not, FWD isn't going to launch better than RWD, everything else being equal.

    Ever wonder why BMW, Porsche, Ferarri, Lotus, and Lamborghini don't make FWD vehicles?

    ...and FWD can't do donuts. :p
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    Le Racer: I just googled 'advantage of fwd rwd cornering' ended up with the same thing you found..ah well :p

    The 3000GT VR4 is AWD. The 'normal' 3000GT is FWD, and it isn't exactly the fastest car around. If you want to talk about fast FWDs, look at the Neon SRT4.

    That doesn't make sense.

    ..."does it make them obsolete"? Who said RWD was obsolete?

    As far as handling, how does FWD have any advantage over RWD? I don't know of any non-budget high performance car that's FWD...the S2000, Elise, NSX, Supra, etc are all rear wheel drive. What modern high performance car is FWD? If FWD had such a handling advantage, I'm sure we'd be seeing more FWD 'sports' cars. Alas..there aren't too many.

    My steering is terribly sloppy under heavy throttle -- no, I don't have an LSD..but I also have about half of your magic '240hp' number.

    Also..ever try changing a FWD clutch? It sucks. :p


    Too much alcoholic eggnog for you, I think.
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    240HP is the maximum amount of useable horsepower that a basic FWD car can use. Anymore than that and you'll just end up with squeeling understeer while cornering and loss of traction off the line. It's physics. When you accelerate weight transfer to the rear, based on calculations we did back in physics class, 240HP is the maximum useable HP in a FWD car.

    Heh, so I made a typo, I think you got the idea. They made the FWD for economy based reasons. But they've kept the base of FWD in many many "sporty" cars that people have modded out and driven like no other. Integras, Camry, Corolla, even Civics. Superchargers, turbochargers, and all that are being implemented into FWD cars. Is it a good investment? The people that do it think so.

    You make it seem as if people who live in snowy climates should be driving FWD. I used to be all "RWD PRIDE" with my '81 RX7, but that was just too much Initial D for me. FWD does have a place, and it isn't JUST GOOD FOR SNOW.

    If you look at it again, my reasons were mostly economy, less loss of power, easier power transfer, and most cornering. Maybe I'm wrong about the last part. I figured that by figuring at high speeds and cornering in a FWD, you induce understeer, which is better than losing control with oversteer. I wasn't talking about the everyday racer, I was talking about most cornering, which is made by the daily driver.

    It's just annoying when people are all over RWD like bugs on a car, and don't give the FWD concept proper respect and reason. I wasn't saying that RWD was bad, it is just that how many people REALLY have a high-budget performance car? Or even a high-budget performance Corolla?

    As I said, having a RWD instead of a FWD might be different ON THE TRACK. But for the daily driver FWD is just better.

    Didn't mean to get on your nerves if I did. Actually... I did have some eggnog last night though.
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    lol, it's all good..

    However, for the cornering issue -- oversteer can be easily induced on RWD, but you can control it via the throttle..if you enter a corner too fast in FWD, you're pretty much SOL.

    I can fry my tires (err..one..lol) with 120hp..I'd hate to think what would happen with 240hp and no LSD.. :p
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    You can 'make' it, sure -- but with everything else being equal, and both cars having the same amount of suspension work?

    And yeah..it's definitely up to the driver.

    I've beat a Mustang GT in my Corolla (1/8th mile), which also throws out all reason. :p
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    to make a FWD car oversteer all you need is a large rear swaybar and remove the front swaybar.... that usually can do it

    MOST RWD cars understeer naturally, actually
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    you guys have a lot of misinformation in there..... YES both do have advantages. FWD wasn't originally used because it's much easier to not have your drivetires be your turning tires as well.... there's a lot more to think about when it comes to that....

    that being said, you can make a RWD car understeer horribly and you can make a FWD car oversteer like a high hp rwd car..... depends a LOT on suspension... then ultimately it's up to the driver...

    my ae92 has kept up with ae86's in cornering.... and i've even beat mr2's in my ae92... which throws out all reason

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