I'm Doing The Happy Dance!! Got A New Car!

on the straight corolla XRS is faster than Celica GT-S by very little but when cornering comes celica is the winner

Corolla XRS source from C/D who did there test at a dusty, windy high-altitude site
Zero to 60 mph: 7.1 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 15.8 sec @ 90 mph
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.82 g


Celica GT-S
Standing 1/4-mile: 15.7 sec @ 94 mph
0-60mph 7.2sec
0.86-g skidpad

I'm Doing The Happy Dance!! Got A New Car!

yep its true no more slow ass 97 rolla
traded it in today and got me a 03 clelica gts
this thing is f..n awesome
silver, 6spd, leather, sunroof, hid's, quick ass hell too
god i love lift
i miss my rolla but time to move on

i still have alot of parts for it
ill start a f/s thread here shortly

i still cant believe its mine
ok got to keep doing my happy dance
later,
jay

Congrats on the Celica...i was too bitten by the love of the Celica. I owned a 93 GTS before my Corolla...what a great car! Iv never driven a 7th gen GTS, only a GT, but im sure its nice. Mind you my XRS is proven to be faster

Also why not check out www.celicatech.com, which is a new site just started from the soon to be gone celica.net.

Mark

Congrats man

Peace, Love, and Lift!

nice, i was trying to trade my corolla in for one but I couldnt afford the insurance on it : \

Are you saying that an XRS is faster than a Celica GTS? If so I'm calling BS on this.

XRS is a detuned 2ZZ with 170 HP and 127 ft-lbs torque. Celica GTS is 180 HP, 135 ft-lbs torque.

I wanna see your proof of this, and even then, many people don't know how to properly drive a GTS. Car and Driver rated the car as mid 15s on the 1/4, properly driven I've heard of 14.8 and maybe even 14.7 bone stock.

cleanrolla97dx, the top two Celica sites I'd recommend for you would be www.everythingcelica.com and www.newcelica.org. If you plan on modding do research at both sites on a company called TPR, they've got the best stuff for our car right now. You may run into some problems though, 03s have drive by wire, and the throttle body is different from 00-02, I think TPR has solved this problem though.

wat you didnt kno the xrs is the fastest toyota in the world?

umm, ever heard of the Supra and the Celica GT4?

I hope you're being sarcastic.

i cant put anything over this guy. yes i'm being sarcastic

lol just making sure

If your "CapsLock" is broken, try to use "Shift".

Did you get it with the TRD kit? ya know the big spoiler and different front fascia.

I knew you said you were getting rid of it, but didn't know it was so soon. Hey, congrats dog.

XRS is faster off the line, GTS is faster high end.

Hmm, Last I checked 15.7 is faster than 15.8. Who cares about 0-60 if at the end of a 1/4 mile your in first.

NOPE NO AERO KIT, SMALL WING
ITS ALL SHITTY OUT SO ILL POST SOME PICS SOME OTHER TIME

LIKE I SAID I STILL HAVE SOME PARTS FROM THE ROLLA
HALF POLISHED VALVE COVER
INTAKE MANIFOLD FROM A 93
CENTER CONSOLE AND ARMREST
ALL RED ALTEZZAS TAILS
RED / WHITE CENTER GARNISH
ONE BRAND NEW trd RIM
SET OF 14" MOMO ARROWS W/ TIRES (WINTER WHEELS)
2 12" ALPINE R 12'S
ALPINE 4CH AMP
KICKER ZR360 2CH AMP
KICKER XOVER
KENWOOD AMP (DONT KNOW IF IT WORKS OR NOT)GOT FREE FROM GUY I WORK W/
STINGER 1 FARAD CAP
SEALED BOX FOR 2 12'S
DUAL SEALED BOX FOR 2 12'S
93-97 EYEBROWS FGLASS


I REALLY NEED TO GET RID OF ALL THIS STUFF

good pick up man... i love old gen celicas wanted to get a new one but ended up with a tc

Car and Driver can't drive the 2ZZ worth crap. As I said, a stock Celica is capable of 14.8, possibly 14.7 provided it's driven properly and launched properly. An XRS could probably get a 14.9 or so if driven properly.

The 2ZZ still makes power past the redline. Peak HP is right at redline, but it'll hold steady at peak HP until about 8500. By shifting right at the rev limiter in each shift (8450 on the Celica, not sure 'bout the XRS) you will stay above 6000 RPMs in the next gear. Car and Driver shifts at redline, they land under 6000, no lift, they complain its slow. Sure, it would've been nice to be like the RSX and land lift without trying, but we can't always have what we want.

By launching properly, there's a way to launch the car in lift, it's difficult and requires skill, but you get some awesome 60' times and you also help avoid the problem of low end torque in the Celica.

Here's a vid of a guy shifting properly. You'll notice how he lands his shift above 6000, and you'll see he's pretty fast. He's got a few mods and has run 13.7 N/A, so it's faster than stock, but you'll see the idea. Remember that the 2ZZ was built by Yamaha; it's a motorcycle engine trapped in a car, it can handle high revving better than other cars.

http://www.ksbservices.com/powerfc/8600shift.wmv

EDIT: I highly recommend to the XRS drivers who intend to do straight-line racing to do a lot of research on where their rev limiter is at, and then try this technique out. You'll be surprised what a difference landing lift can make.

I was just going by what has been said regarding the XRS vs GTS. However for all purposes it doesnt matter who is faster. The Celica is a great car...and if it werent for the high price, and very high insurance I would own a 2005 Celica GTS and not a XRS. I did not mean to bash your Celica in anyway...i would never bash a Celica...and miss my 5th gen everyday.

Mark

No offense taken...I just don't like myths and stuff.

Someone started a myth that the Celica GT Auto was faster than the GTS Auto...total bs, but people still believe it.

"Knowledge is power."

I personally think the XRS is faster.

Aside from that I didn't like the GT-S. You have to be like 5'6" to drive the damn thing.

A few mods. To be shifting at those RPM's you have to have some money in your engine. My guess is a Upgraded Ecu, stage # clutch, engine work...., and so one. He is a good driver, but with mods like that, you can't shift the car fast enough.

you can shift past the redline... the rev limiter is the thing you cant get by. my gts redlines at 7500 but i can shift at 7800, it looks like the rev limiter is probably around 8500 on the gts (given its an early model).

and the engine WAS NOT built by yamaha.... the cylinder head was designed by yamaha, same as with every other G cylinder head toyota uses all the way back to my little ole 4age.... thats why im getting an r6

and that gts was fast, but it probably only has minor mods.... intake and exhaust and maybe some sort of electronics

Dude...I think you are taking it a little personal. I don't think he was bashing on your car in particular. But rather stating his opinion in that he thinks the XRS does not look as good when compared to the celica. So, put the brakes on your afterburners.

Yeah I agree it is only my opinion, I think 03+ corollas are ugly and can't even compare to a celica in looks. I'll agree with you on the body kit comments towards my car, wish I kept the money to save for a different car.

Oh and congrats on picking up a celica, its a sweet car.

Yes, the guy has a replacement ECU and has his limiter at 8600. He's also got intake, lots of tuning, lots of weight reduction, and drag radials. Stock rev limiter is at 8450 on all Celica GTS except 2002, for some reason that year it was 7800 (redline).

You will wear out your engine faster, but you don't need to have money in your engine. You can do this stock and run 14.8 on the track. The guy who makes the video uses synthetic oil and changes after 2000 miles because he's at the track a lot. Pretty much everyone who races their GTS does this and I've heard of no problems besides misshifting and occasionally bogging at lift (which is caused by poor intake design - get TPR).

And if you still think the XRS is faster, consider that the low end torque of the XRS is used once in the entire race, during launch. After that, the rest of the race is conducted in the 6000+ RPM range, where the Celica has a 10 HP advantage...not by any means is it a clear victory and if someone doesn't quite launch good, bangs a shift or doesn't shift fast enough, etc. then they've lost.

Depending on your mods, an XRS could take some RSX-S, but you'll probably have to have more mods than he does.

GT-S handles better on the race track hands down (probably the best handling front wheel drive ever). Corolla XRS and Celica GT-S have exactly the same power curve when you look at the dyno and they put exactly the same peak HP to the wheels. Corolla XRS has a strut bar, beam type axle, increase rate coil springs and stabilizer bars in the back and front, which makes the chasis very stiff and bodyweight transfer minimal during hard launches. The car cuts straight through air without much nose lift. Celica GT-S on the other hand has a lower curb weight, but the nose lifts more than the XRS with more bodyweight transfer to the back wheels. As for 2003 RSX Type S ( not sure about the new 210 HP, but they must be faster), I have beaten one twice in a row, but it was only because I was the better driver and these high revving engines rely on driving technique immensely. I shift at 8500 rpm like you recommended where the rev limiter is for the XRS and drop to 6200 rpm after shifts. In the end, it is a driver's race between these three cars.

Umm, why would they put the same numbers to the wheel when their numbers at the crank are different?

Also it is well known on Celica sites that stock vs. stock (when driven properly) a Celica GTS vs. RSX-S is a driver's race. The RSX responds to mods much better than the Celica so they slowly pull away with more mods, but with basic bolt-ons its still a driver's race.

Perhaps it is a driver's race with the XRS...what are your numbers at the track?