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Last Rites to the Pope

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    falnfenix Well-Known Member

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    correct that the gate exists. incorrect in the premature closing...they've closed one door...meaning he's on his way out.
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    OK thanks...my dad wasn't too specific.
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    1337Rolla oh my

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    well, it's over. he's finally died.
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    falnfenix Well-Known Member

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    yep...CNN's got it on the homepage. may Karol Wojtyla's soul rest peacefully...his long fight is over.
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    Denver Rolla 98 impreza

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    :Crosses self, bows head and waits:
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    rice cracker VVT-i's Cracker

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    was that his real name?
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    falnfenix Well-Known Member

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    that was his name given him by his parents...
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    e_andree E

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    Whew...work got crazy yesterday at 250.....now for the mourning, burial, new pope, etc.
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    Cuztomrollaz98 MAD VLAD!

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    Sad days man but well he's in a better place now and well he did a great number of actions for the world.... R.I.P Karol Wojtyla
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    its something to behold things like this only happin once in a lifetime
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    e_andree E

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    Well, thats actually not true...most popes only last about 10 years. This pope just happened to last over 25 years.....that wont happen again.
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    That's true, they're looking for an older pope this time, but they don't want someone who'll be gone that quick.

    On a side note, who thinks the Vatican dodged a bullet? What if the Pope had gone into a coma, vegetative state, etc.? They would've had to make some very tough decisions, and then explain them to the world. And then let's say he's in that state for a couple years, then what?
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    corollarider19 New Member

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    well they did get lucky but if i heard right the pope didnt want to be on ventilation and such.... as for this pope lasting so long i think that it will happin again he should have stepped down a long time ago because he really couldnt do his job but i respect the man
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    falnfenix Well-Known Member

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    WTF?

    yes, he did continue doing his "job" - and frankly, he's the LEAST corrupt pope the world's had.

    hell...the man was still SKIING in his 80's...it's only since he contracted Parkinson's that he's had trouble. he's still been able to write sermons, letters, etc...he was of sound mind until the end. he wasn't going to step down because he loved his job that much...and it SHOWED.
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    HUH??

    First you say this is a once in a lifetime thing.....which I cant help but to laugh at, because the average "tenure" of a pope is 10-15 years. We're in our 20s...we'll see at least a few more popes pass. And thats just it....the pope cant be forced to step down. He can resign if he feels he has to, but this popes old age did not prevent him from "doing his job". Hes not a machinist....hes not a cab driver...hes not a secretary.

    His "JOB" was to be a religous figure. Youre pope till you die. If you as the pope dont run things the way everyone wants, they are forced to deal with it.

    Youre actually the first person Ive heard say something like that..."He wasnt doing his job. " Its humorous actually....
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    falnfenix Well-Known Member

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    not humorous, Eric...in this situation, i find that sad. i don't follow organized religion, but i respect the pope more than just about anyone on this planet. saying he wasn't doing his job is the biggest disrespect anyone could give him.

    :( i'm pretty upset about that statement...shows what folks will say without thinking.
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    corollarider19 New Member

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    well laura and eric i was thinking.. the man could barely do sermons he didnt write anything he made other people do it.. yes i know the pope is a religous icon and all that but i think that when you cant speak or walk that kinda stuff you really cant do any job doesnt matter if its the pope or not.. and i should clarify that i know there will be other popes but i should have said well liked pope i dont think taht there will be another one like this one... and not that anbody cares but i think the new pope will either be from china or africa
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    falnfenix Well-Known Member

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    but he DID write his own stuff...maybe not physically write it down himself - i believe near the end, he dictated - but he's not like the prez, who has everything written for him.

    the pope was a VERY intelligent man, and it showed in the sermons/letters he wrote...
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    i never doubted the popes intelligence or anything like that.. it takes a hell of a man to have that job...
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    falnfenix Well-Known Member

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    INDEED...that's why so many people(specifically Polish folks) are mourning his passing. he was a damned good pope...he did the best he could in his position.
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    corollarider19 New Member

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    first non italian pope in over 100 some odd years
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    You still dont seem to get it.

    The pope is a figure....thats the job. Him being alive, and worshiped as that religous icon is what the pope is about.

    He blessed the people at the Vatican every Wednesday from his window, with his last wednesday being last week.

    I think that sometimes you post for the sake of posting, even if you have no idea what youre talking about, making yourself look bad, offending people in the process.
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    corollarider19 New Member

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    no the popes job isnt just being there he controls the church.. he needs to make important decisions and appoint cardnials and bishops etc etc... each person has their own 2 cents on every topic not everyone sees eye to eye on things.
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    I guess when Franklin Roosevelt had to be put in a wheelchair, he shouldve resigned from the presidency since he couldnt walk.
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    see your taking this to far..
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    How is that taking it too far? You said since he could walk, or couldnt talk (which isnt true), that he couldnt do his job.

    The Pope is the head of the Vatican....with hundreds of people under him. He was doing his "job" up until the day he died. Hes a religous icon..plain and simple. That was his main purpose.....to travel the world, spreading his views and sermons.

    Just the act of driving him through a town and him waving his arms blessing the people was enough.

    He does not make decisions about war, laws, money issues, etc, like a president does. No one traveled as much as this pope..was fluent in over 10 languages....was the first pope to meet with a head of a soviet union....was vital in the fall of rome, prayed for 7 hours per day.....wrote more sermons and literary works than any of the past popes....was the first pope to pray in romes main synagogue......and for you to say "He wasnt doing his job", implying that he shouldve stepped down when he got sick is insulting.
    First non italian pope in 466 years.
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    well I have to say I agree with Corollarider19. He got so sick that he really wasn't all he could do -I think if he stepped down someone else could of done so much more. It is a hard job -and it's even harder when you are sick...so that is why he should of stepped down.

    Anyways I wasn't too fond of him to begin with (but that's a different story). As for the new pope candidates - It would be very interesting if Nigerian Cardinal Francis Arinze became the next pope. I personally would be happy just because it broke a barrier that even the US can't break thru Presidency. However I don't see it happening because Europeans aren't ready to bow down to a black guy. It's sick and sad that people have to be like this. All across the news you see that "the west isn't ready to welcome a black pope." How racist can you get? It's a shame really.
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    He was a good man, too bad Parkinson diease had to ravage his body to the point where he could barely lift it up.
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    the pope does make decions about church laws and procedures... he just redid the voting for the pope back in 96... now do you think that if he was to redo the voting procedure now that he would have the same effectiveness as he did back when his health wasnt failing him?

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