Engine Will the 2AZ-FE fit on 9th gen engine bay?

Yeah, that IS300 is one heavy mother. It has more potential than the XRS (especially right now), but on the road, the XRS would pass the IS on the right hand side easily. Silly people being decieved by straight-6's and horsepower numbers. There's more to speed than that.

As for weight, I figure a lot of the weight is from the bigger engine. Then of course, you need to add in all the luxury items that a luxury sport sedan that a Lexus would carry.

iron block is heavier too, aluminum block is lighter and cheaper but the cyl is lined with iron casting. the zz series motor is all aluminum a first for toyota on the 4 banger.

an IS is more powerful than a corolla. it has more torque than the zz motors and can withstand a beatting like the old 5M/7M series motor. hp wise the IS loses a lot going through the driveshaft bring the hp at the wheel to 190-200hp.

But isn't it possible to turn a rolla into an awd/fr?

Anything is possible - depends on how much money you want to dump into it.

Remember the AWD Celica that Rod Millen cranked out a few years ago. http://www.rodmillen.com/UCelica.htm

Took the drivetrain from a older Celica All-Trac (3SGTE + AWD) and swapped it into a 7th generation Celica. I cost those guys a small fortune to do it - and they know what they are doing.

I remember in this one mag I saw a FR Integra it looks so...odd.

But likewise, I'm still trying to get a good price on either 2ZZ-GE, 3S-GTE, or a 2AZ-FE swap. A few things I'm still considering are mileage, age of the engine, maintenance, etc. etc.

Asked one of the auto shops around here, they don't think they can actually do a 3S-GTE swap...SO...

I am certain, for one thing, that along with the swap I want to change the rolla into an FR or AWD

well you can import an engine with 30k on it. just like new depending on what year motor you get. the 3sgte is fairly old and the 2zz/2az is brand new but i have my eyes on the 3sgte.

A 3S-GTE w/ only 30k? What...I mean, my 1ZZ-FE is NOW 30k and it's only been two years!

yea. japan insurance is expensive where most cars dont even live as long as 4 yrs. or people do engine swap. but i think it has to do with strict emission rules b/c they make newer and update engines during the year. thats how the 1zz was created, to replace the A series motor. so basically you have a good engine with less than 40k or less. you can still find a bunch of 1jzgte or 2jz, 5/6/7mge motors with less than 40. the M series is the oldest engine of the two i listed.

The FF to FR or AWD is overrated and pretty expensive for what you'll get out of it (unless you want to try to drift the rolla, but even then weight distribution...). Usually there's a lot of custom work to do and you really need to know your stuff. I'd say it isn't worth it, just get an FR car. Unless your rich, then who gives a damn.

Gr...I've been looking at fleaBay, and all I can find are 1JZ and 2JZ, all auto tranny. Why?

I'm sure that something can be done about the weight distribution.

Ooh, can someone give me a quote on a 3S-GTE, 2ZZ-GE, or 2AZ-FE swap including manual tranny swap?

The switch from FF to FR alone will redistribute the weight, I wouldn't worry too much about that. As far as finding an engine, try supra/celica groups and clubs(they usually have good links and sources). Also, I see your from Cali....you should definately check out TOYSPORT. They are toyota specialists and have done numerous engine swaps and FF to FR conversions. They have parts sources too. Check out their website http://www.toysport.com

well because the 1jz and 2jz is tuned to work with the automatic. basically the 1jz is for a touring sedan which most ppl dont want a manual tranny. same with the 2jz.

Depends. You want to come to Vermont? LOL

Was the Integra white? If so i've seen it personally. It's using a Honda CR-V AWD drivetrain and I believe a GS-R enigne. The driver can drift it pretty well.

the best example of a corolla w/ 3SGTE is the Fensport Corolla Runx... w/ the 3SGTE soup up and AWD tranny pumps out 600hp...

The very same. It used the AWD drivetrain and cut the front. Really interesting, what they did.

Vermont!? Dang...haha if I have any relatives or something to visit around there is one thing. But otherwise...dammit, you come here.

After looking at my options for a while, the 2AZ-FE, 2ZZ-GE, and the older 3S-GTE are all the same price at car-parts (odd?). So with that in mind, given I can find a 3S-GTE under 40k, I'd prefer to swap a 3S-GTE. Then about the 2JZ-GTE engine...if I can find one with a manual tranny, that is, I'll think about it...it IS 300+hp, but it's like twice as pricey as the 3S-GTE...

Twice as pricey? Yeah well, if you're going to convert your car to RWD and run that, you better not be worried about money AT ALL, because it's going to cost a LOT.

I knew someone's going to say that somewhere in this thread

But along with starting this thread, I already knew it's going to cost me an arm and an leg (maybe even my testicles...though like hell I'll give them up). But i'm saying compared to the 3S-GTE, the 2JZ is twice as pricey for less bang per buck. So I was referring to the value thing.

Nothing wrong with going on a spending spree and still think about savings, you get what i mean?

Anyway, I'm pretty much sold on the 3S-GTE, manual swap, and FR conversion unless someone can convince me otherwise with a 2JZ with a manual tranny.

I tell you this. Unless you are a cartoon character named Takumi, newbie drifters WILL crash their car. Be careful with your money. That is all about that.

No reason to convince you, you're already sold.

you make it sound like the second I get an FR conversion I'm going to try drifting like an idiot and hit some other guy's front yard.

But I get what you mean nah, at the least, I want to get used to the handling first at some empty car lot.

So here's my current roadmap, after some sketchy thoughts:

Sway bars
Rear disc brake conversion
Slotted rotors
Carbon fiber hood
3S-GTE swap w/ manual FR tranny<---still have to look for someone that can do it

Basically, for me, handing/safety comes first before performance.

Sean still owes me his HID conversion...it's been so long since he ordered the projectors

2azfe dyno sheet in a tC

Dyno for 3S-GTE (2nd gen) in case anyone's wondering:



Since everyone's probably talking about the 3rd gen (myself included), if anyone has a dyno graph for the 3rd gen, I'd love to see it, thanks.

that's not stock tho, (neither was my pic) so who cares if it's 1st,2nd,3rd gen 3s?

You could always get the bore kit from www.monkeywrenchracing.com, it comes with lower compression pistons and other goodies, perfect for turboing...

Hold on, have you thought about that you've got to change some things around on the engine. Intake and exhaust manifolds, as well as the oil pan. And other things that might pop up. 3S-GTE's were not designed for RWD layout. The Dual VVT-i BEAMS 4th gen 3S-GE is though.

And whats the deal with the dynographs?

Er...never thought about the oil pan. But other than that, yeah I've thought of all those other things that needed to be done for the swap...and I could be wrong, but the price for all the parts required will run me into around 5g's (ballpark figure). Labor and that stuff I still haven't tallied yet.

And the 3S-GTE isn't originally for FR layout? What was it originally then?

EDIT: Nevermind. AWD, right? If that's the case, AWD will work for me too.

what a waste.. sorry but you could spend that money and buy a genuine JDM celica GT4 and use it to actually RACE.. and keep the corolla for around town..

MR and AWD. Which meant the engine had to be mounted horizontally.

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