News Guns allowed on college campuses?

I love these topics you get for this forum.

From my understanding, if you are over 21 you can get a carry and conceal permit for a hand gun. (Loose understanding)

So wouldn't the legislation be more the other directions? A ban of fire-arms on college/university property?

The answer is no even if you are over 21. Mentally disabled people come in all ages. Let's assume the majority of people are unstable and leave firearms to campus police and security who are truly authorized to carry.

sure everyone should should be able to carry ak47 and gernades to school, our nation need to put guns in the hand of angry students and suggest them to carry it school or to the mall where childrens go.

that really depends on the state. some states are very lax, while others don't allow them at all (or claim to do so, like Maryland).

If they have a carry permit, sure.

my friends roomate at California State University, Los Angeles has a 12-gauge shotgun sitting in there dorm....thats kinda fishy if you ask me

Seriously, that is the stupidest question ever! If guns were allowed, I bet many students and teachers would get shot. Also if guns were allowed, I'd quit college because I could get shot at college. I'm pretty sure there are many students who would shoot who they hate.

Wow ~ this topic was also brought up on the other forums I post on. IMHO, yes with a sh!tload of prerequisites like Gun school, license, etc.

Are they seriously going to legalize it now?

There should be no guns allowed on campus unless it's by the authorities. So instead of girls having mace on their keychain, it's now a Glock G18C? Jesus Christ.

You could also get hit and killed while crossing the street. Better stay inside...in the basement, too..just in case a truck runs into your house.

To break out an old proverb, there are no stupid questions. Only stupid answers.

Stupidest isn't a word. You mean most stupid.

:laughcry: living in fear of guns is pretty damned silly.

absofuckinglutely. i've thought this for a long time...ever since the Columbine shooting, really.

is this where i can put in my 2 cents about Maryland and how much it sucks regarding CCW?


to the naysayers...consider the old argument that disarming the population creates victims/take away the guns and the only people left who will have them are criminals.

Here's how it is in Tennessee:

First, you must be 21 and LEGALLY able to own a firearm. That means no mental defect, criminal record, no restraining orders, DV issues, etc. Then, you must complete an 8 hour class on firearms law and usage with a range session that is SCORED. If you cannot pass the shooting test or written test, no HCP for you. Afterward(if you pass), you must present a certified copy of your birth certificate and $115 bucks to the highway patrol for the opportunity to APPLY for the permit. You must also submit your fingerprints to the state for TBI and FBI investigation. They'll investigate your ass for 90 days and if they don't find reason to deny you, you get your HCP. If they do, they'll send you a letter telling you why you didn't get yours. Only when the HCP is in your hands can you carry a firearm legally. So, that blows the argument that "anyone" could go wild west at university if the laws are changed. (little tidbit, thus far, there have been no gun crimes committed by the some 50k HCP holders in the state....no murders, no robberies, nothing. I cannot say the same for non HCP holders and even LEO)

Now, having said that, I'm pissed that college is the only other place besides a liquor store or restaurant that serves alcohol that I cannot carry my gun. Especially since crime runs freakin' rampant here. Long before Va. Tech, we had a college about 80 miles north that was literally taken hostage. I think the guy was up there for a day or two with the students, many working adults, that he walked in on during a night class. No one was hurt thankfully, but the could have shot every single one of the people in that class and NO ONE could have done a goddamn thing about it.

And on the topic of only LEOs should have guns: Recently, we had an off-duty sheriff's deputy shoot and kill a man in a BAR(where it's illegal to carry a gun unless an on-duty officer) who was "bouncing" the fight between the deputy and patron out the door. I can guarantee you that there was at least one civilian HCP holder in that bar...who wasn't armed as they obeyed the law. Yet, an LEO who was hired to uphold the law ended up breaking it and taking an innocent life in the process.

I've jumped through more hoops than most people realize(and most citizens are willing to) to be able to carry this gun. So have some 25,000 of my fellow county residents. Yet, we are often treated like criminals or even worse by those to ignorant in their own belief that somehow we'll be more dangerous than a gun wielding thug, who is lawless in his own action. I think the beautiful thing about carrying is, you do not have to intervene if you don't feel the need....and sometimes I think I might not unless it involves the my safety or that of a family member.

I'm for concealed carry on college campuses. If you go through the trouble and time to get a license for it, I think you should be allowed to carry it with you. Besides, if someone runs into my class with a shotgun and someone in the class has a weapon on them, I don't feel so defenseless.

So what if every student had guns. One student starts pointing at you, what would you do? Point your gun right back at them right? Or you can just get shot. If that happens, the student who shoots you will be on a shooting spree because he or she knows that he or she is going to jail.

So your saying that if one of the 30 student at VT had a gun could've shot the shooter and prevented all of this to happen? I bet none of them had to guts to do it. Would you do it? I know I'll be the one running away because I'm not risking my life. You can go ahead and be the super hero who shot the shooter.

There are many people out there who has the guts to do anything and they'll do it. If you think you know everybody in this whole world then you're wrong. I bet you that if guns were allowed on most campuses, more shooting events will happen. Just you watch and see.

if guns where allowed on campus wouldn't it be much easier for the unstable students to get a hold of and kill more people? i'm not trying to

be diplomatic or intellectual but we are living the 21 century where crimes have dramatically increased and every hood has their own click.

Havn't you seen the 8 teenager (3 of the girl were 17-18 years old) that beat up that 16 year old girls cause she talked smack. can you

image if they were to carry gun? luckily they had a camcorder on but thats proven to be lethal hasn't it? so yeah we shouldn't allow anyone

to carry guns at all because to me, humanity is fucken stupid we are slowly killing ourself and our planet.

It is in my world.

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Exactly what I'm talking about. I don't understand why the world doesn't see this.

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What would you do if a student points a gun at you?

Explain to me how it would be easier for someone to get a gun when concealed carry is not prohibited. The whole point of CC is to not be seen...nobody knows you're carrying. Maybe it's just me, but I have my doubts about people refraining from committing a mass murder just because it's illegal for them to bring a gun to school. Last time I checked, murdering people was just a little worse than that...but that doesn't seem to stop them, does it?

You're not kidding..apparently you live it, too.

Don't bet too much. People were saying that about Florida, when they enacted a right-to-carry law.

Ever hear of rampant shootings in Vermont? New Hampshire? Maine? Alaska? Arizona? No? Did you know, that in every one of those states (and probably more - that's all I thought of offhand), it is legal to openly carry a handgun with no permit? Hmm.

ahh, i love hearing arguments from the Brady Bunch. y'all are so blinded by what you think happens that trying to talk reason won't work.

if someone points a gun at me, i have no choice but to be a victim. my state thinks we don't need to protect ourselves...but you know what? two years ago, i DID have a gun pointed at me, and i couldn't protect myself. all i could think was "hofuck i hope this kid doesn't shoot me" - the CHILD was no more than 10, pointing a gun in my face in broad daylight. i can't say what i know i would do if i had a weapon on my person at the time, since i didn't...i had only myself, and my wits, to contend with the kid. he decided it was better to run off than pull the trigger (and he has since been pulled out of his school, and i believe he's in a juvenile detention center for other problems he's had...at least, that's what his principal told me).

I could tell you what I'd likely do if someone was pointing a gun at someone else, though...which, if there are more than two people there, is a higher probability than that of them pointing it at me.

well yes, if the gun's pointed away from me i'd be better able to react.

Yep..in your situation, I don't imagine there's much you could've done except be very lucky..

Even guns not being allowed hasn't stopped incidents like the VT shootings last year. The laws only affect those who choose to follow them.

yes, the "if you take away guns, only criminals will have guns" argument...the very one that the Brady Bunch seems to ignore.