News Well, that figures. Yay for stereotypes!

Well, that figures. Yay for stereotypes!

I was driving behind a 2005 Jeep Liberty, trying to park at church this morning. It was rather crowded, so I went to a small parking lot right next door. And the other driver? A woman from...Massachusetts, of course..lol

Soo..my poor Tacoma is in need of a new bedside, I think. It's not really bad..but it looks like there was a body brace or something behind it - so there are several creases..it's not just pushed in.

Here is a very rough depiction of the events that followed:

Awww man that sucks. She was cited for the accident, correct?
I know its not funny but that is a fairly humorous representation. I love the "Pathetic Toyota Horn". lol

I hope you get everything repaired and back to normal soon.

She wasn't ticketed, no. However, backing up = automatic fault.

The ironic thing is that we were out for five hours last night, and couldn't scare up anything...and this morning, I'm in an accident. Go figure..lol

pretty sure you were at fault. you watched the person stop and turn in a manner that suggested they were going to back into the spot (backing in is NOT UNCOMMON) yet you still continued into the spot that they were backing into. your drawings even show the way she turned in order for her to back in.

how could you say it was her fault when its clearly yours?

Why did I sit behind her..!? I didn't..I was moving the whole time. She pulled in and stopped..I pulled in to park...saw backup lights come on when I was behind her already...hit the horn and accellerated, but everything was snowcovered. She hit my rear quarter panel -- behind my rear wheel. I drive an extracab pickup -- lifted with a cap. I'm not difficult to see.

And, of course, since you were there...you can clearly make a decision, hmm? If I am clearly at fault, then you mean to say she is not. If she is not...does that mean I can start backing up without looking behind me, and run into whatever I please? Fortunately for me, insurance companies don't see things the way you do.

That's not a single spot, btw..it's a small parking lot. My drawings are not exactly to scale.

This may illustrate better than my crappy drawings.

*shrug*
Think what you like -- I really don't care who you think is at fault...it's up to the insurance company to determine. Per the other officer at the scene, it's her fault. She hit me. I was behind her before her backup lights came on. If you want to place fault entirely on me, that's your business.

that jeep wouldve annihilated my corolla

Yep...would've put a hurting on my MR2 also...but the MR2 is short enough that I would've been able to get out of the way in time..lol

i had an f150 pull one of these on me, cept it was backing out of the stall i was doing 10mph and was right behind it when it decided to floor it in reverse...yeah it hurt

oh so you admit to following to closely as well. let me guess, you rushed into the lot because there was traffic coming and you just had to pull in before you were forced to wait a few more seconds.

the way you described it really makes you out to be the guilty party. a vehicle pulled into a lot before you and was backing into a space. you were rushing to get the spot that was obviously hers and slid into her truck.

i honestly hope the insurance companies find you at fault so you learn your lesson.

How in hell am I following when I'm perpendicular to her car?

No other traffic. So...guesswhat! You are wrong.

I must've missed the part when you saw me slide into her truck. Where was that again? I don't see it.

So you don't believe someone should look before they start driving backwards?

Or...should I expect that your interpretation of what happened trumps the opinion of the police officer who was on the scene...pretty egotistical, but I'm really not surprised.

your first 4 pictures show you following her and trying to steal the spot she is backing into. care to explain why you provided PROOF that you were following her but are now denying it?

she shouldnt necessarily have to look behind her for other cars trying to steal her spot because people should have the courtesy to wait their turn. and to think you were headed to church... did you ask for forgiveness for pulling that douchebaggery?

youve already convinced yourself that you are the innocent party and that cool with me. but just know that EVERYBODY on this board hates people that steal parking spots from them... even more so when that moron stealing their spot causes an accident.

It's a parking lot. People follow each other. Understand? People also pull to the side to wait for other people...to let passengers out, etc. I said I was not following too closely. Nowhere did I state I was not following her.

What? Are you just saying that when backing up several thousand pounds of vehicle...that you don't need to look where you are going? I daresay anyone with half a brain on this board is going to disagree with you there.

Go ahead and hate me - rest assured that you're not the only one. However, there was plenty of room for parking, and there was no spot-stealing involved.

And, since you conveniently 'forgot' to answer...:
I must've missed the part when you saw me slide into her truck. Where was that again? I don't see it.

These drawings are not at all to scale, btw...so distances shown is not a reliable source for a valid conclusion. As I said in the original post: "Here is a very rough depiction of the events that followed:"

people do follow in parking lots... but only assholes steal spots people are trying to park in. NEXT

of course people should look behind them. they should also be able to rest assured some low life isnt trying to theive their spot to. DARE I SAY you should have been watching out for her instead of trying to steal her spot?

i will hate you, but only because youre a parking spot thief who caused an accident and tried to blame the innocent party.

i didnt forget to answer anything, you answered it for me... " everything is snowcovered..I just spun" sounds to me like you "spun" into her. again, if you werent trying to steal someones spot then you wouldnt have caused an accident.

scale has no bearing on the fact that you witnessed somebody backing into a spot and tried to take it before they could get into it.

and about my story trumping the cops that was "on the scene"... there was no cop on the scene, you stated earlier that you had to walk to the local PD as it was only a "stones throw"

man up and stop blaming everyone for your mistakes... lemme guess, youre catholic?

Your entire post can be refuted with this, which you conveniently ignored:

Wrong. Again.

The officer was on the scene after the accident, surveyed damage and heard what happened - *from both parties*. If there was no officer on the scene, then it stands to reason that he wouldn't have been there at all, which is incorrect.

And, incidentally, there was an officer on the scene during the accident. But as you obviously know exactly what happened (note: sarcasm), that doesn't matter to you, does it? Regardless, you're wrong again. This is becoming quite a pattern with you, actually..



Now I'm curious. If a small child happened to be in the area and ran behind her, and she failed to look behind her before and during her backup proceedure -- and struck him or her, would you maintain that it is the fault of the child for running behind a vehicle, and not at all the fault of the individual driving the vehicle?

If I was the one backing up, without looking to check if the area was clear, and hit someone...would you say it wasn't my fault? If so, start making laws...you'll fit right in with the rest of 'em.

and youre whole argument is moot given the fact that with your own evidence you were stealing her spot... so argue all youd like, youve proven to me that you did in fact attempt to steal a spot and in the process caused an accident.

about the baby situation. ill entertain that, but ill let you know its on a severe tangent and has nothing to do with your situation. if the baby was out of site and the woman struck the baby it would be a terrible situation, but i would place fault on the babies parents for, first and foremost, not supervising said baby in a parking lot. way to go off topic :superconf
but if the baby was trying to steal the spot, like you, then yeah it was the babies fault.

its odd to me that you had to walk to get a cop after you caused an accident, and then claim he was in fact on the scene and knows exactly what happened. im going to assume her story was "i was backing into the spot and didnt see anyone behind me" and yours was "i was pulling into a spot and this lady hit me" leaving out the fact that you "spun" into her after realizing you should hurry into her spot before she gets it. GOTTA GET TO CHURCH YO!

anything else you want to spout off about? any other moot defense and poor excuses? id love to hear what you have to say next... whether its bullshit like everything else youve said, or the truth!

Again...what I already said.

Irrelevant, because I did not "spin into" anybody. Have you ever driven in snow? Do you realize that it's slippery? Do you realize that if you step on the gas, there's a good chance that your wheels will spin? You don't magically spin in circles....that's not how it works.

It's odd how you think that my opinion is so terribly flawed, yet you're relying so heavily on my off-scale drawings to form your own omniscient opinion.

We're not getting anywhere, because you can't seem to get information through that skull of yours. "My own evidence" proves that I was entering the same parking lot that she was.

You can't differentiate between the two. You've proven that a few times over.

yep, still all bullshit... i guess i expected too much

i see two scenarios:
1. exactly what youve proven you did, and what i have been saying the whole time. you stole the spot and caused an accident... or
2. you simply werent paying any attention to anyone else and decided you wanted THAT spot without surveying the situation, then decided after you caused an accident because of your negligence that itd be easier to blame the woman from Mass.

either way you messed up, oops

What, expected my story to change? It hasn't all along, pal..you're the one trying to pull alternate meanings out of what I've already said.

Again, as discussed previously, there was no spot-stealing involved. There are multiple spaces here.

If I was not paying attention, how did I notice when her backup lights came on? How was I able to hit my horn? How was I able to attempt to accelerate out of the way?

You forgot option 3. Someone shifted into reverse after I was turning behind them, failed to check before proceeding backwards, failed to hear an audible warning, failed to hear my truck frantically trying to push me out of the way (V6 + Magnaflow makes a bit of noise), and didn't realize there was anyone behind her until she ran into me.

Should I have waited? In hindsight, obviously. Am I at fault because I didn't? No. Ask any officer - if you back up without looking and hit someone, whose fault is it? Apparently my opinion, and the opinion of the other officer, is not enough for you.

You have it stuck in your mind what you think happened. I have the feeling that your flawed opinion is not going to change. As such, I bid you goodnight...surprisingly enough, I do have better things to do than argue with someone who refuses to believe anything I say unless he agrees with it.

If you're ever up in my neck of the woods, be sure to look behind you before you back up. If you don't look, and if you hit anything, it's your fault. Free tip of the day.

toyta does have a shit ass horn, they need to start replacing those things wit better ones

That doesn't make sense..? I was close because there's not a whole lot of room there. However, I wasn't almost touching her car, as the pictures indicate.

I didn't stop moving...I just didn't move much faster.

If I knew she was backing up, I would've waited. It looked like she was pulling to the side to let someone out of her car.

That's certainly possible.

As I said earlier, I really tried to get out of the way...but due to the snow, I couldn't accelerate quite fast enough.

Enough is enough.

What I don't get is...was the lady trying to back up into a parking space? or was she trying to back up so she can turn around and go the other direction?!

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Yes ladies, you both have grown large E-penises. Take an E-douche and settle down.

lol. You guys make me just make me lol.

wait...you never mentioned if the lady was hot. You could of at least asked her to slob your knob while you waited for the cops to write up a report. I mean..you can't go wrong with a quick slobber of the ol' knob before church.