Engine Does a Corolla S have lift?

Does a Corolla S have lift?

I know thats a dumb question...but i'm not sure whether it does...does anyone know the answer?

is toyota's lift the same as honda's v-tech?

thanks!

no. the standard Corolla doesn't have VVTL-i...that's reserved for Corolla XRS, Celica GT-S, MR2, Matrix XRS, Vibe GT(i believe).


the technology between the two brands is VERY similar.





someone should sticky this thread now, while it's just starting.

Seems like you (almost) always beat me to a post..somebody lives here, eh?





The MR2 Spyder has the 1ZZFE, though..so no lift without a swap.

*coughs* don't know what you mean.

I hadn't even finished my edit yet..!

Dialup sucks.

lol.


thanks for the correction, by the way.

good lookin out...now can someone please define what lift is?

thanks!

lift explained



Lift is in the 2zz engines made by Toyota.... its the 6200 to 8200 rpm range where the engine gets a sudden surge of power accelerating the car at a much faster rate. The 2zz engines are in the Toyota Celica GT-S and Toyota Matrix XRS. Lift is more lengthy in the manual transmission cars because they rev all the way to 8200rpms versus the automatic Tansmission whcih I believe only goes to 7900rpms before redlining...IE the engine cuts out and ceases to accelerate temporarily.

wow... :Nworthy

mantis...thats a great definition...

I agree on the sticky, especially as more XRS owners are added to the fold.

The Corolla S still has vvt-i, which continuously changes the valve timings based on the need for economy at low RPMs and power at higher RPMs. At lower RPMs, there is no valve overlap (intake valve opens, closes, and then exhaust valve opens, closes). As the revs get higher, the valves start overlapping more and more (so as the intake valve starts closing the exhaust valve starts opening up), allowing for better performance (as soon as the cylinder is ignited, it's already on its way out). It's a very gradual effect, and is no comparison to lift, but it is better than an equal size and power engine without vvt-i.

A very good explanation can be found here:

http://www.toyota-europe.com/technology/engines/vvtl_i.html

and the 2nd part of your first question... yes, its similar to Hondas Vtec but better

v-tech!!!! :lol

better? why? (not that i'm downing vvt-i...cause i drive with vvt-i)...just curious...

In this case, which one is better, vvtl-i or i-vtec??

that has to be the best explaination i've ever had...thanks!!

^^ No problem.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this. This is all to the best of my (somewhat limited) knowledge.

vvtl-i uses just two cam profiles, a low/mid speed lobe and the high speed (lift) profile. i-vtec has 3, one each for low, mid, and high speed. Also, i-vtec is really easy to land each shift, whereas a very good driver is required in order to land lift in every shift. Because of the three profiles i-vtec is a little better on midrange power, so if you happen to drop out of the higher revs (and you'd have to be a very sucky driver to do that) you're still making decent power, while any 2ZZ owner will tell you how much of a punishment it is to drop out of lift. I believe that vvtl-i has more cam lift than i-vtec, creating a stronger "kick" and a big increase in power, but that comes with a price; i-vtec users can lower their engagement points to get their power earlier, since their cam lift isn't as dramatic, while vvtl-i users can't (without losing power).

i-vtec was basically Honda's answer to vvtl-i, and they did a good job of matching it. You can hate Honda all you want, but they make some fine engines.

Another thing that may or not be related is moddability. Honda owns Toyota in terms of aftermarket support. Also, the k20a (the engine in the rsx-s) is well known for how well it reacts to mods; it's not uncommon to hear 10-15 whp from i/h/e. This may or may not be related with i-vtec.

I lived in Japan for 3 years and NO ONE BUYS HONDAS OVER THERE. Its like the poor mans car, literally. The ITR is the only Honda you will ever see there... I saw about 2 Civics per month... never modded.

you want lift? put a jack under your car and turn it

how hard would it be for me to dropp a vvtL-i and how much
i have a 05 corolla s? any 1 kno tell me if u do

You have an '05? I'm assuming you're making payments on it...so the following advice goes with that assumption.

You're car is still pretty new. To swap a 2ZZ in, you'll need the engine, tranny, and ECU. You're looking at a lot of money; 2ZZs aren't exactly common, and some of the trannies have been known to be weak, and it'll be hard to find one in good condition. Exact numbers depend on who's doing the swap and where you get the engine/what shape it's in, but plan on at least 3-4k, probably more. Assuming you do swap it in, it's not guaranteed to work; a car with a swap just acts...different. If something goes wrong in the swap or the engine is bad, you're $4000 in the hole and you still have to pay the shop to put your old motor back in. If you do manage to get it to work, you will have voided pretty much every warranty on your car.

The easiest way to get lift would be to sell your car and buy another one, but you're already making payments, etc. and cars depreciate quickly. It's never a good practice to go car hopping just because you're not satisfied with the one you have, because you'll lose money fast.

The bottom line is you should've done your research before you bought your car. I don't say that in a mean way, because the same applies to me. I got my '01 Celica GT (4 speed) for a killer price, but had I researched it more thoroughly I would've learned that this wasn't exactly the car (or transmission) that I wanted. Just live with what you have, be happy with it, and maybe think about a new car several years down the road.

Does the TRD s/c work on '05s?

^^ I checked, and at a minimum they haven't posted the part numbers for the kit...

I think '05 might have DBW, so it may not be possible.

thats correct at this time.

Yup, no S/C for 05.

You have a 05. Why didnt you buy a XRS at the very beginning??

That swap actually wouldn't be bad, in an '05. I would do it for $1000. (Labor only, everything else is extra of course.)

But like mentioned, the 2ZZGE isn't really easy to find, it's pretty expensive...

What is this DBW?

its drive by wire. its the new craze from auto manufactuers. it eliminates the throttle cable and pretty much goes off of syncro and all that good electrolic stuff. make the car a little harder to be "modifier friendly"

its late and i dont care to spell check...........................

Ok, you guys can pretty much forget most of that post. Here's a great explanation of vtec vs. i-vtec vs. vvtl-i:

http://www.everythingcelica.com/ubbthreads/thread.f0_1953489035_0_collapsed_5_365_1.html#1953489035

Listen to Lucky_317 and Illusive, they really know their stuff.

Gosh that post was pretty ignorant of me.

If you bought an 05 and wanted Lift, you should of bought the XRS, it has the 2ZZGE (VVTL-i) engine and a 6 Speed manual transmission, along with a slightly lowered suspension, 16" wheels, and a few more luxury items than most (not all, but most) Corolla's. Return to your dealership, see if they can arrange something for you to trade (lots of dealerships will give you 30 days to return/trade ur car without losing the value, at least around here).