Engine 5 Speed Questions...

5 Speed Questions...

Hello everybody! I am familar with the search button, but Im new here so please excuse my new-b-ness.
I have a question about the 5 Speed Transmission that is used in the 8th Gen Corolla and other cars by Toyota.
1st: What is the 5speed tranny code? C59?
2nd: According to Spyderchat, the European Spyder Tranny's have a longer final drive than the US. Is that the same for the Corollas? I am seeing a variety of different "supposed" gear ratios for US corollas (Various posts vs Corolland). What is correct for US 98+ corollas?
3rd: Can the C52/C60 from the AE101/111 be used with the stock axels? I think I have read that they will physically bolt up to the engine with the bellhousings swapped, but what about the axels?
Just Asking: For those of you that have a 2ZZ/5-Speed in a 8th Gen Corolla -Hows the gearing work out? Peformance numbers?
Just trying to learn as much about the potential of these cars before I look into purchasing... Saw a 2002 Blue Corolla S 5-speed today... LOVE the interior!
THanks to everyone in advance, I hope that I will become a active member in this community!

EDIT: This is what Spyderchat says the ratios are for the 5 speed spyder tranny and the celica 6 speed.
1zz five speed gear ratios:
first-3.166
second-1.904
third-1.392
fourth-1.031
fifth-0.815
final drive-4.312

2zz six speed gear ratios:
first-3.166
second-2.050
third-1.481
fourth-1.166
fifth-0.916
sixth-0.725
final drive-4.529

welcome man... hummmmmm I wasent aware that the 2zz came in 8gens I know its in the 9 gen XRS with a 6 speed, might be diffrent in europe...

say.. introduce yer self what do you drive where are you from what not...

2zz's didn't came stock in any 8th Gens... I am looking at possibly a swap with the stock 5speed tranny.

UPDATE: Found this?!?
Spyder US-Spec:
1. 3.166
2. 1.904
3. 1.392
4. 1.031
5. .815
FD. 4.312

Spyder Euro-Spec:
1. 3.166 (Same)
2. 1.904 (Same)
3. 1.310
4. .969
5. .815 (Same)
FD: 3.941

Corolla US-Spec:
1. 3.166 (Same)
2. 1.904 (Same)
3. 1.310 (Same as Euro-Spec)
4. .885
5. .725
FD: 3.722

Gosh, I dont know which one to believe... When cruising at 80 in a 8th gen, what RPM are you at?

1zzFE motor came stock in the 98-06 corollas the 2zzGE motors came stock in corolla XRS ONLY...

Yeah, Ive seen the posts that Dr Tweak has made and tried to follow them (alot of broken links to that other site). Seems like he kinda took the hard route with the six speed. (I guess somebody's gotta try it!) Id like to use a 6-speed, but I dont want the hassels of custom mounts, axels. Im still trying to figure out what axels he used...

Anyway, I have been reading on Spyderchat about alot running a 5speed on a 2zz (They have quite a few people that do) and the overall consensus that I seem to get is this:
The 2zz feels like the 1zz until lift hits. The 1st to 2nd shift is difficult to keep in the powerband (ie lift) but seems to be easier keeping lift into third. If this is true. I am fine with the 5speed gearing IF it is the same as the spyder. If it is indeed a 3.722 FD,though, I would definately have to reconsider my options.

As far as low end torque is concerned, it seems to be about the same amount as the 1zz according to these dyno charts: (From newcelica.com)

GT Celica (1ZZ) Stock


GT-S Celica (2ZZ) Stock

the lift does carry nicely into third, I've even got it to carry almost perfectly into second without leaving lift, but there will always be that gap there between shifts where the motor will go out of lift then go into it 200 revs later. into third, it does the same. it may be true that the 5 spd would give the 2zz a little more kick in the low end, but I'd rather keep the 6 spd due to the fact that 3rd gear ends at 89 mph, where as the 9th gen S' 5spd's 3rd gear ends at about 79-83 mph. 4th on the xrs ends at about 120, dont know where 5th will end at, but I wonder why I even have a sixth gear....it's crazy. so my personal opinion is that I'd keep my tranny and just build up the torque on the motor itself.

now this frame cutting is that on 8th gens or 9th gens.. cause I am planning this swap on mine... but if thats what she requires.. then HELLno... but I wouls come so far to assume its only on the 8thgen that you have to cut.. due to the fact that there is a 9th gen with a 6 speed...

Actually the 6-Speed has the same gear ratio in 1st as the 5 speed and the 6 has a higher Final Drive... Meaning, in 1st gear, the 4.529 ratio of the 6speed should go through the gear fastest (8000RPM at 39MPH), the 4.312 (US spyder) second (41MPH), and if the Corolla's FD is indeed 3.722, it should be last at (47 MPH).

Ahhhhh! So... much.... new..... information.......

Thanks everybody so far!

I would assume that this would be a (relativly straight forward) easy swap into a 9th Gen. The fact that the 2zz was produced in that body style indicates that there is shouldnt be any fitment problems.

Im assuming your car is a 5-speed and this is in fifth... if so....

Eh, thats what I was afraid of... that means that the Corolla indeed has the 3.722 FD ratio..

Corolla US-Spec:
1. 3.166
2. 1.904
3. 1.310
4. .885
5. .725
FD: 3.722

That would put you roughly at 3200 RPM's in 5th gear at 80mph... probably the difference is made up in the wheel tire combo.

Well, thats good news and bad news...
Bad News: This transmission is not well matched for the 2ZZ. Should probably figure a spyder tranny into the equation when planning the swap. (of course neither is the spyder 5speed)

Good news: Anybody looking for more acceleration (and less MPG) out of their Corolla just needs to swap in a 5-Speed from a Spyder (and probably a celica GT, too!). Should be the same casing just with the higer final drive.