News Toysport on the future of Toyota

Toysport on the future of Toyota

Sad but true:


http://www.toysport.com/webpages/NewsInfo/News/2005.htm

Thats not totally true. Its just harder now than it has been before, since the cars do not come with more performance oriented equipment from the factory. The 2ZZGE is their most "fun" engine at this point.

When it comes to going someplace else to get performance right off the showroom floor, I do have to agree.

Toyotas biggest problem was the price of these cars. Because of what they were, they cost more and Dealers would up the prices on top of that.

^ I agree that there are no actual sporty cars, but they do have a few select cars that they know would appeal to that crowd. Like the corolla xrs and tacoma x-runner.

no offense, Sean, but the 2ZZ is no more a performance engine than the 2.4L Ecotec being used in the non-supercharged Cobalt SS. Toyota has thrown performance to the wind in favor of its older, more "sophisticated" clientele. i think even Toyota saw this happening...that's why they started Scion, because they knew they needed something to appeal to the youth.

Another good place to look is the truck aspect...the older toyota trucks with solid axles front and rear made fantastic 4-wheelers...well to run with the way the world is going...now you are getting more IFS...more towing power and less room for modification.
Here is the a list of the following aftermarket performance products for my Tundra as an example.
Throttle Body Spacer
SRI
JBA & SS AutoChrome Headers
Exhaust
3...3!, lifts. (How many does Chevy, Ford & Dodge have? 50 at least?)
Unichip
Rear Anti-Sway Bar
STS Remote-Mounted Turbo System
Step Bars & a few Brush/Bull Guards
Clear Corners
A few off-brand tail-lights.
Guess what...that's about it.

To gain performance and power soon, everything will have to be custom-built one-off stuff made by people with a need.

The turbo system that I'd like to put on my truck doesn't exist...Vortex and I are doing research on custom fabbing one.

It's the way the market is headed...less people out there want to modify cars and only care about getting from one place to another. Another topic that covers that issue is the fact that you really can't just get under the hood and work on your car anymore. The 2005 Mazda6 is a great example. Pop the hood on the thing and you've got about 18 screws to remove before even accessing the engine. So your average do-it-yourselfer is going to forego all the time it takes and just take it to a shop.

Sorry for the longer post...but it's true...high performance cars and their modification is slowly headed into extinction as far as a good base to build off of is concerned.
The wave of the future is obscenely good mileage and the ability to haul 9000 people around with you. (I don't know about the rest of you, but I only have about 8 or 10 friends)

2ZZ not performance, wtf are you talking about?

...it's really not high-performance. It's got lift and a 6-speed...nothing compared to the olden days of Toyota performance.

about the only thing that gives it performance is the lift otherwise its just a 1zz motor that's tuned just a little differently... I miss the 6 cylinder weather it be in-line or V shaped bad ass driving motors that you can take Drive to the strip and then drive it home, very soon we'll be seeing only a select few manufacturers with "high performance" cars, and those will be TOO expensive for the average driver to afford, I cannot rightly call a 4 popper a performance motor off of the show room floor, add a few parts on her and yeah she'll fly but for us Toyota owners the most easily accessible brand 'TRD' is in the midst of being dissolved by her parent company Toyota because they are moving more towards economic cars, and SUVs. I fear for my company I do not want to own the last generation of the corolla and I hope that they do bring back the supra in all her glory and not to Lexus as planned, but under the tri-oval of Toyota.

The olden days? 4AGE? The 2zz puts out better numbers. Please guys explain to me how a 2ZZGE is not performance. I just don't understand your logic at all.

You say "best" engines not performance engines. The name 2zzge denotes that it has A PERFORMANCE HEAD! PLEASE PLEASE explain why the 2zz is not performance, 190 HP @ 7,800 rpm; 138 ft lb sounds like performance to me. PLus you can't compare a fucking I-6 to a 4 cylinder so stop comparing a 2zz to the 2jz or 1jz. Pound for pound the 2zz N/A is one of the best Toyota (yamaha) engines ever made.

ps sorry for being a prick

calm down, dude...it's not like we're questioning your manhood.

I am calm.

So do the numbers on new muscle cars, what's your point?
Alot of old muscle cars in their first couple years only produced low 200's on horsepower and high 200's on torque.
...to me it sounds like your logic is saying that the newer a car is the more powerful and performance minded it is.
Just because a car has a designation for a performance head doesn't mean the rest of the car is performance. My old firebird had Pontiac's "high-performance V6." It was a meager 3800 series w/ 212 horse.
The word performance is thrown around way to quickly these days.

Don't derail this into other car companies, i'm talking about Toyota, and not talking about the car, i'm talking about the engine.

ok yes the 2zz is the fastest 4 cylinder that toyota has out right now, but that still does not make it a performance motor... the artical is about how toyota nolonger makes the famed cars, that people drool over... answer me this.. who drools over a stock corolla, or matrix.

Moved to Debates and Rants

seems like this is what it turned into...

works for me

105 hp per liter compared to say 65 hp per liter in a mustang gt and the 2zz is not performance? I drool over a stock corolla xrs/matrix xrs all day long compared to what i'm driving at the moment.

you said your selfd lets not drag other compinies in to this.. keep with what you say..

Good point but it still makes 105 hp per liter... how is it not performance "oriented"?

I never sid it wasn't fast I'm just saying that compared to the other true performance toyota motors of yester year its slow, toyota never clamed it was a performance motor they just stuffed it in to some cars so that they could sell some more units, infact about the only reason the corolla even has a 2zz XRS model is that after toyota decided to stop selling the celica theyhad a large stockpile of 2zz motors left under contract from venders so they needed a car to put it in (not that that has anything to do with weather or not its performance)

They never claimed it was performance? News to me. They stuffed it in the corolla because it was already in the corolla station wagon before they announced no more celica, so why not throw it in the rolla (plus the fact that they retuned it specifically for the rolla)? .Compared to older engines? What older 4cyl n/a engines is it slower than?

Well shit maybe i'm wrong since i'm the only one that thinks this lol

and thats with out the electronic aid of lift.

Actually they are about the same spec wise... and it needed to be a 20v to compare to a electronically controlled lift 16v to have as much power. About toyota not wanting the 2zz to be performance read this...http://www.m-msport.com.au/Downloads/2zzGE Engine.pdf

"The 2ZZ-GE was designed with the following additional targets.
1 Provide high speed performance
2 Retain low speed flexibility
3-5...
6 Achieve best power to weight ratio in the field"

thanks I've been looking for that fora a wile..

but as andy said the word performance has bee thrown arount too wildly the past couple of years by everybody, all that says is that the motor preforms well at high speeds not that it was spicificaly built as a high performance motor, yes it has the best ppower to weight ratio in its class but its class is basically honda and toyota.

Ok guess i was wrong, i'm a fucking idiot if i thought perform at high speeds meant high performance.

You're not an idiot at all, you posed a question and got several response on it...nothing big...but I do have another question for you...I can't deny or prove the fact that a G designation in a Toyota engine is for performance head...so I have to trust you on that one...but what about my Tundra motor?

2UZGE

Does that mean my Tundra is performance? It puts out 245 horsepower...with 4.7 liters....That's a meager 52.127 horsepower per liter, and 67.87 lb/ft per liter. What makes it beat Denver Rolla's S Type is the fact that it's got 8 cylinders.

Performance like I said before really has been thrown around alot lately. I think one of the things Toyota did with the XRS was call it "performance" to get people to think of it less as a sedan and more as a sports car...which sadly, it just isn't.

And don't take me the wrong way...I'm not bashing you or flaming you or anything like that. The XRS really is a neat little car (Just drove 7MGTTEConcept's the other night) but I just cannot consider it a performance car.