All of my supercharging and engine swap questions

it looks like it is making boost in the video, but from the sound of the bov or abv, not too much. i would rather have the trd kit. thats just me, but props to the guy who built that 9th gen.

Some photos of the set up

I will say that one of the best features of these compressors is the clutched pulley. It is something i wish more superchargers had. The ability to turn it off and drive naturally asparated for a while to save on gas is awesome. If you had it wired up to a window switch or some sort of tps triggering it would be even better. N/a during cruise and not spinning the supercharger, then mash the pedal it all kicks on and Whammo! Power. Plus the option to use a intercooler. Decent pulley options as well. But only a few retain.the clutch and they are not cheap at all.

you do realize that there are 3 generations of the 4age 20v? there is an early and late silvertop, as disguinshed by the vvt operation and the throttle linkages and then the blacktop. there are differences between them all, but compaired to a 1zz they do make more power but weigh a bit more, so its a little bit of a trade off. i have pretty extensive experience with the 20v, including building them and tuning them. i have a friend who has a 20v aw11. i helped him out and did some head porting work for him over the summer. quick car and an easy swap to do, in a 4a/7a car. a 2zz swap is easier to do than reverting back to a 4age. there were numerous changes.

also the first 2 videos didnt sound like a blacktop at all. the 3rd one did. it had the right kind of induction symphony i have grown to love from the 20v's. plus the first 2 videos were too deep and much slower revving and moving than a blacktop would be. almost sounded like maybe a 7age of some sorts.

5spd swap is not that hard and sometime soon ill get around to making a write up for the axles for a 6spd swap, which is one of the big hurdles for the 2zz swap. ill also be documenting my 2zz swap when it comes time for it, but for now ill be happy with a trd supercharger.

it sounds like you want something fun to drive, 200hp will make a corolla much more fun to drive. so i have some questions for you:
what kind of power delivery would you like? harsh? sudden? smooth? do you want instant power when you stomp the gas? or would you like power to come on more towards the top end?

3k budget, forget a 20v swap. a nice blacktop will set you back 2100 for the swap, with a 6spd and lsd (no other way to do it IMO) and its not a plug n play deal either. axles plug in, no biggie there, but exhaust has to have some work done to it, wiring, passenger side engine mount is a custom deal. all said and done a blacktop swap will run 4k easy. cus you will want to freshen up the engine as well. timing belt, water pump.. you know those kinds of things. cus you dont know when it was last done and the steam cleaning at the engine importers made that about to break worn out timing belt look almost new... get my point?

3k is also a low budget for a 2zz swap, unless you find a wrecked celica gts in a pick n pull. the engine is about the same cost as a blacktop, but can be found in better shape. its easier to swap. the biggest issues are the axles (if using the 6spd) and wiring and exhaust manifold.

turbo charging on a 3k budget is very do able. if you want quick spool, gt28rs. dont bother with the t25. it will be instant spool and blow hot on the top end due to the higher compression ratio of our engine. the gt28rs will spool almost as fast, but have better compressor efficiencies in the top end. wont blow hot. low boost 7-9psi with a good safe tune and you should pass the 200hp mark with ease. turbo would be a great option, as would the supercharger.

i have plenty of experience doing things like this. making things fast that shouldnt be and making them reliable as well. whats the point in hording information just to watch someone fail? just to laugh at them, nah fuck that, im not a dick like that. i would rather give the info out to whom ever needs it. it only benefits us all that way.

Ya rly.

Forgive me everyone, for being such a troll with these questions. This is interesting, I like stuff like this, especially when its about the 1zzfe. LOL

Oh no, the sc12 and sc14 are weak on this engine ? Will they blow hot at 6psi ? At 6psi shouldn't I be at the 170-180 hp range?

For compression ratio, I was going to use one of those head gaskets, to knock it down to the 9.6 ratio. Do the Eaton M45 or 62 supercharger blow hot too ?


Look at this guy in a Celica GT N.A 1zzfe. He's running 13.9



Him again in a Celica Gt. all motor 1zzfe vs Civic B18c1





Toyota celica supercharged vs. new honda civic




This guy claims that he has a swapped Xrs motor in this 8th gen Corolla. I Don't know if it's him making 14s on the stock 2zzge or the other car.



Another one
NX2000 vs Corolla Xrs swap






Corolla 1zz 0 to 130 mph (1999) non vvt-i




I think the 1zzfe is still better than the 2zzge. The 2zzge takes longer to respond than the 1zzfe. That make 14s with na. With the 2zzge you have to play catch up with tq.

There's more, there's an gen an 8th gen with a claimed xrs swap, running 14s stock.
Added: Apr 3, 2013 5:06 AM

Sick indeed. Izz does have power.

ahem.. i run in the 14's with a bolt on 1zz and c60 w/ lsd. a proper 2zz swap would be much faster. the biggest issue with a 2zz swap, as mentioned in the shoutbox just a second ago, is the lack of header options for our cars. this will make or break a 2zz.

the 2zz is an astoundign engine. and really, you cant compare the 1zz to the 2zz. even tho they are in the same engine family, the technology is a bit different inside the 2zz. the highest hp 1zz i have seen has been mwr's 500whp spyder. yet you can find many 500+ 2zz's and mwr's 800+ whp stock sleeve, mild build 2zz. it is a better engine. the head out performs the 1zz's.

now, im not downing the 1zz at all, cus i have one.. well 2 of them and 2 2zz's. the 2zz does not take longer to respond than a 1zz. they have the exact same powerband below 6000rpm. at 6000 is where lift occurs and the 2zz shines as it is sent soaring to its 8400 revlimit. most 1zz's will never see past 6800 tops. the few who do mod them, still keep them below 8000. yet you can find plenty of 9000-9500 rpm screamers for the 2zz.

as for the questions of blowing hot at 6psi, it is doubtfull it will blow hot at such a low boost. the bigger issue i saw with mine was the almost 1:1 drive with the stock sc pulley. which would mean you would be lucky if it produced any positive pressure. the biggest issue with the toyota sc12 and sc14 is that when they do blow hot, the coating on the rotors flakes off and goes into your engine. it could cause damage. superchargers will only blow hot if you over spin them, they are not like a turbocharger. they have maps for a supercharger, but good luck finding them.
the m45 and m62 are much better options. i have seen a dyno for a 300+whp dyno for a built 1zz and m62. now there is a dyno of the same engine but with a m90 strapped on. i want to say it belted out 440whp or in that range, ill dig it up.

that video of the celica s/c vs civic si, the celica has a c60 gearbox. you can tell by how quick the shifts are coming. so most likely it is a celica gts as well. 2zz power. i faintly hear some sc whine at the beginning, but its gone when the race starts.

and to be truthfull, anything that compresses air will blow hot. it is a byproduct of compression. it just matters how efficently it compresses the air. like with turbos, the more you keep a turbo in its "sweet spot" the lower (generalized) the temps will be. but your still looking at like 230* charge temps before intercooling. its about the same with a supercharger. a little lower on the temps, maybe 180-200. this is why most choose to use a water meth kit for chemical intercooling. not only are you providing a high octane fuel (methanol @ iirc 140) but you are spraying ultra high pressure water as well. water being the BEST cooling medium at atmospheric pressures and tempretures, there are others that are better, just not at this pressure or temps. this creates a mist of fuel and water that sucks heat out of the charged air, as the water evaporates in the charged manifold. the fuel helps with knock prevention.

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