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Engine Car not starting

Discussion in 'Powertrain' started by CorollaGT, May 21, 2012.

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    CorollaGT Low & Slow

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    Yes, believe it or not my rolla shat brix. After the disaster that was the 03 intake manifold swap, I gave up and put my old manifold back on. Now my car wont start at all. Okay, I'm going to explain this one time only, I am a very, VERY meticulous person. I double and triple check my work just to make sure everything is perfect because I'm also a perfectionist. So, when I say that I'm sure that all my vacuum hoses have been properly installed, I mean it. Everything has been re-installed exactly to what I remember when I took it apart. (To anyone that has done this) I know I'm getting really needy, but I'm gonna need a step by step write up of everything done in the swap. I need to scrutinize EVERYTHING I did to see if I did indeed make a mistake and where. The only things I can think of that might be causing the issue could be that one of my sensors on my throttle body got messed up when I took the coolant lines off the manifold because everything got drenched ( i cleaned up as best i could). I put the ground wire on the intake manifold between the maninfold and the block instead of under the bolt like I think it was originally. And lastly, my intake manifold gasket might be bad since Ive reused it (am I supposed to use a new gasket?). Thanks for any help. I'm pretty desperate.

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    I thought of the ground wire more and that could definitely be giving me the vacuum leak think I have. I'll update on the issue when I fix it tomorrow. Still please feel free to toss ideas.
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    What does it sound like when it dosent turn over? Does it turn at all? Power? Any clicking noise? Did you possibly connect a coolant line into an air line? Video would be helpful.
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    If this was TN, I'd have skipped right over this thread lol.

    I guess you figured it out already?
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    CorollaGT Low & Slow

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    It sounds like it about to start and then bogs right back down. yes it turns to the right and left the steering is still okay.lol jkjk yes it turns over. yes power. no on the coolant confusion. I'll post a video soon.
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    How much did fixing that ground wire on the mainfold help?
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    CorollaGT Low & Slow

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    havent done it yet. the corolla can sit out for a couple of more days.lol
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    MovieSTAR i hurd u liek?

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    dead battery?
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    Go get a can of carb cleaner and lightly spray it in there while cranking. DONT flood it or it will go boom out of the intake lol
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    Ah well I'd work On fixing that cable first since you know that is wrong lol
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    MovieSTAR i hurd u liek?

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    onl if hes not got a maf
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    MacktasticSlick TRD whore with 36,000 posts, bitch

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    He's got a MAP
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    Putting that ground line in between the block and manifold on one side of the gasket will most definitely create a vacuum leak, and potentially ruin the gasket or manifold depending on torques used.

    If this is a pre 00 car running on MAP, then a vacuum leak won't matter and it will still figure it out. The behavior described sounds like an EFI sensor is unplugged or damaged: crank, coolant, map, iat, throttle perhaps?

    Also you might try swapping TPS's. Even though the parts are completely different between 8th and 9th gen, the TPS part numbers are the same. Try throwing the 03+ TPS on there as well?
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    I got a new manifold and throttle body gasket when i did my swap.
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    Any word on what the problem is/was? Im getting a manifold soon and any information i can gather would be helpful.
    I already picked up some new gaskets.
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    He got it going :)
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    What was the problem? Close the loop with your forum buddies!
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    nah my battery is a champ.lol after at least 70 gooood cranks it still had power to start it up the last time it took for it to finally run.

    A lot of information James, I'm impressed for sure :D Im not sure if it ruined the gasket but the gasket was definitely changed since I figured that was one of the contributing factors to my car not running. However it seems you have some info mixed. If it runs a MAF it will run. If it runs on absolute manifold pressure, it will definitely not run. I know that first hand.lol but everything else you said was spot on. Very spot on. If I hadn't figured it out myself I think that this would have definitely been the slap on the face I needed.

    See, and you sounds like a perfectly normal human being. I on the other hand reused the old gasket... Fail.

    Does anyone want a full legit write up of this swap? all the DIY's I've seen suck dick.
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    Ill help you write it. They were basically all crap and i went in kinda blind and figured it out, quick2000 and bdub on TN helped out a lot.
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    crolla "Wait did I just lose to a corolla?"

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    bdub has the best DIY so far
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    CorollaGT Low & Slow

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    Yeah but that one only covers "kinda" the swap for the 01 02 motor. I'll do the other half.
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    bdub had a 98 corolla, im talking about the DIY he did on here
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    Thanks CorollaGT! But I have to disagree still.

    A MAF sensor will detect the mass flow of o2 going into the engine, before the throttle body, which is way before the manifold. Since cars idle at vacuum, a leak at the manifold will pull unmetered air into the engine that the ECU does not know about, since the engine is sucking the air in after the MAF would have measured it. This would lead to a lean condition.

    As you pointed out MAP sensors measure manifold absolute pressure, which is the space in between the valves and the throttle body. That is also where the sensor is located. A leak will change the pressure in that whole space, and the sensor will pick it up, meaning the ECU will know about the difference in airflow.

    This is the difference between airflow and speed-density engine control algorithms, but with these systems there can be much more at play. So, I'm definitely not calling you a liar, but I'm sure that my info isn't wrong either.

    Either way, what was the fix? :D
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    CorollaGT Low & Slow

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    Well dang.... When you word it out that way your reasoning sounds much more logical. The only conclusion that I can come to is if there is a space between the manifold and the block the engine will refuse to run. I changed the gasket along with moving the ground from the incorrect spot and the car started up and ran like a champ. My theory that the 1zz is a very sensitive motor is proved yet again.lol
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    ^Sensitive Indeed
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    Update:

    After the manifold swap my idle never came down to the desired 800 rpms. Always idles at 1500 when warm and romped on. 1100 when cold. After 2 months of researching and testing one mechanic pointed out something that never even crossed my mind. I have an idle control motor/valve. As you all know we have three "sensors" on our throttle body, the map, the tps, aaand the iac. I remember someone telling me a while ago that the sensor that looks like passed coolant thru is a coolant temp sensor, which its not. Its the iac.. (idle air control).............. idle problems....... idle air control........ Im gonna try replacing that and see what happens.lol
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    Same thing happened on a Honda i worked on. The iac was dirty so it got stuck open and closed, throwing off the idle. I took it apart and sprayed a bunch of wd40 on it and it worked fine after. Replacing it would be the best way to fix it. Good luck and update when you can.
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    The iac wasn't the problem. I'll have to keep searching. Next I'm gonna make sure the IAC motor is recieving power.
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    I was able to fix pikachu's car. All i did was loosen the IAC and turn it either clock or counterclock wise while the engine is running to see if it helps.
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    I'll give that a shot. All evidence points to the idle air control valve. If it comes down to it, I'll shove a piece of quick steel in and make the hole smaller. I'm done with this shit.
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    Yeah try it. If you don't have that star bit to loosen the IAC then you'll have to grind the bolt in half to stick a screw driver in there to turn the bolts. He showed up to my house with his car idling around 1300-1400 rpm. Got it down to 900 just by turning the IAC.

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