Someone tried to force his way into my house, Cops aren't helping.

there were other people outside with him. he accused me of t hrowing a bottle at him...?? and i told him idk what hes talking about and when i shut the door is when he tried to push his way through

he was not yet threatening the OP's life...and there is no Castle Doctrine in CO (i checked, out of curiosity).

actually it does, i asked my friends dad today who is a forest service ranger.

http://www.michie.com/colorado/lpex...5/2d0c0?f=templates&fn=document-frame.htm&2.0

Make sure you have all your bases covered. Keep in mind that attorneys will have months to criticize and evaluate your split-second decision.

Hopefully the good old pump-action shotgun noise will keep the intruders at bay..but if you need to use it, you have a fine tool.

yep , the sound of a pump action 12 gauge works wonders

then again so does the sound of a mag going into a Desert eagle .45cal and the slide popping back in place

yep i read it, carefully. i might go blow up some watermelons tomorrow after class up in the mountains. idk how legal that is haha

huh, i stand corrected. the sites i checked must not have been updated.

um, no, those sounds are nowhere near as loud as racking a shotgun. trust me - we tested this after the other half picked up his newest 12ga.

He just got the gun. Pulling him in would defeat the purpose of keeping him out. LOL

i want to get a trumpet case to carry it to and from my car, but it has to be one like from the movies where they just pull the handle out and it turns into a gun...MUAHAHA jk

im looking to get a sweet case for it though.

oh yeah definitly cocking the 12 is louder , i was just saying hearing the other will do the trick too.

which in my case , couldnt hit the broad side of a barn with a rifle or long barrel shot gun , but give me a pistol and i can walk a can across the yard till its outta site.......quickly!!

Seriously? Most rifles are easy to shoot..open sights with an AR15 at 100yd is a lot easier than a handgun at 50..

have to be careful with the spread of ammo you choose. you're responsible for anything that comes out of that gun and if something hits an innocent victim than it's all over. i also have a mossberg for home defense and actively looking for a hand gun, but every time i go to buy one something comes up.

I don't know about CO but in GA, without a carrying permit, you can get in trouble carrying the gun from the car to the house. It is the dumbest thing. When I went to get my concealed weapons permit, they told me without a permit, I could have one in my car or in my house but not to get caught with it any where in between. Im buying my fiance a gun for her birthday and we are getting her a concealed weapons permit too. I carry my Smith & Wesson .40 cal everywhere. And I keep a Beretta CX4 Storm .40 cal at the house.

Meaning it would have to be in a case/etc. They can't really completely prohibit possession..

im allowed to carry it around on my person as long as it isnt loaded. and i have a gun lock on it. as far as from the car to the house...same principle applies.


EDIT: im not saying im walking around with a shotgun on my person the entire time...lol

no kidding. i can splat through the center of the paper with my Mauser at 100 with ease. i'm nowhere near that good with a pistol bigger than my .380 at 25 OR 50 feet.

so here is our resolution: Since our complex is home owned that means its a private property, so what the security guard, who is an off duty cop, is going to do is whenever he sees people outside of the house where i know they live he is going to write them trespassing tickets and get them barred from the complex. We went to the HOA meeting and one of the guys there said he doesnt let his girls play outside anymore because those kids hang around.

I say you try out your new gun and set an example for other delinquents to follow. I'm just kidding of course. Or am I?

Good deal on the HOA - in certain situations, they can be worse than some cops / security guards.

00 Buckshot is a pretty good for stopping power - but keep in mind that it has decent penetration. Bird shot will not have the stopping power as 00 Bickshot, but it power drops off rapidly over distance. At short-ranges (under 20-30 feet) - it will turn your a$$ into hamburger - good for home protection and keeping longer range peripheral damage to a minimum. At very close ranges - birdshot can be worse than buckshot - as it is nearly a solid cone of little lead BB's.

Lots of good advice on trying it out before you can trust the weapon with your life. Some people get the impression that a shotgun spray pattern is huge - in most cases, on an unmodified weapon, this is not the case. You'll geta pretty good idea once you start hitting some targets on a range with the shotgun. Also, I tend to stay away from "magnum" rounds - sure they will put a little more power behind the shot, but the added recoil doesn't justify the amount of damage delivered. I just stick with plain 12- guage, 2-3/4" loads - I think I have all Federal brand rounds at home, don't remember what series. I tried Winchester rounds but didn't like them as much.

I will have to disagree with you here - birdshot will hurt like hell, but it lacks the penetration to effectively and reliably stop a threat. This article is an excellent read.

dont go getting a trench coat.

of course you could put on the clown suit and break out the AK :d

I have winchester "heavy game loads" 7 1/2 whatever that means, but there is a picture of a little birdie. I havent been out to shoot it lately but i am leaving for spring break tomorrow so i might shoot it off then and check it out.

7 1/2 bird shot. Get 00 buck for home defense. Read up on the box-o-truth website - some good info there.

i did, but i live in a town house and i dont want to be ripping through walls intol my neighbors house

Read up on the site I linked above. You don't want to rely on bird shot for a defense load.

i think i do. birdshot or not its still a shotgun, and i still have 6 rounds. birdshot wont go through walls which is good for where i live, and if it doesnt kill the guy he will get extremely fucked up and if not ill just use more.

EDIT: sorry i should mention the kids im worried about breaking into my house arent 5'10 200lbs as stated in the story, they are more like 5'6 120 pounds. little birds

Fighting with a shotgun

Or he'll shoot back with a real bullet. Or you'll have to explain to a jury how you felt it necessary to deploy deadly force against a 5'6" 120lb kid, who you just told me isn't that much of a threat.

If you want to shoot someone with a round that can't even penetrate two layers of drywall..well, it's your life..your call.

But hell, what do I know, right?

that site had nifty information. if you hit the "intruder" than you really don't need to worry about penetrating walls

Yeah, JLee pretty much hit it home (good link too, thanks! - I always remembered birdshot having about 3"-6" of penetration in other targets - quite interesting). Either kill or risk being killed yourself.

What is the underlying outcome you want to see - a deterrent or to kill/protect? Any weapon can be used for protection - in the end, it is your life against an assailant. You don't really want to worry about property damage or the possibility of innocent being injured if someone is intent on killing you. You basically want the bad guy to stop doing whatever it is they are doing that caused you go pull the shotgun in the first place.

Don't get me wrong - a lighter load like birdshot will still be pretty painful - a good deterrent in many cases. But if the guy is lit up on something or seriously wants to take your life - you'll need something that will drop him. Unfortunantly, anything that is effective enough to stop them (need deep penetration) will also have to penetrate most other things (walls, furniture, etc.)

Another option is to follow the birdshot round with some 00 buckshot - but takes a chance that the assilant will either run away to come again in greater numbers, or risk return fire from said assilant. That is a judgement call on your part - if you felt that your life was endangered enough to warrant a weapon.

On mine - I load a blank as the first round, racked and ready to go. If I feel that my life is in danger - then I rack the shotgun again to clear the blank for the lethal rounds behind it. I know I take a risk with that - extra time to protect myself. But I feel that if I'm ever in that situation where I need to deliver deadly force - then I'd grab something else in a pinch.

you also have to be careful of what crime they have commited when you shoot them. could be the difference between self defense and manslaughter. you should also be careful about posting stuff like this because it could be used as premeditation and then you go up for murder instead of manslaughter. just some stuff to consider. states vary as far as laws go so it is up to you to stay up on your local laws