News Actions of Manassas PD against gun owners

Actions of Manassas PD against gun owners

http://tinyurl.com/2842m2

what do you guys think? They called these law-abiding citizens "over compensating ass-clowns" in internal e-mails. I'm suprised they didn't think to watch what they said in interoffice e-mails. Whats almost as bad as what they did, read some of the comments to the story, calling the VCDL con artists looking for a lawsuit

Cliffs - 7 guys decide to eat at a restaurant. They are gun owners carrying with CCW permits, but law states they must switch to openly carrying anywhere that serves alcohol. This is the law in many states. They do this, some guy gets butthurt at seeing 7 armed men minding their business and throws a fit. Man calls police, who come out, are rude and disregard the law, or were just plain ignorant to it.

At least its good to remember that not all cops are overcompensating ass-clowns like these guys.

Interesting article. I believe that everyone just got crazy when they saw 7 guys with guns on them. Would you trust 7 guys with guns? Unless they were cops, Id probably get the fcuk out of there.

I do understand its their right to carry the guns. I wouldnt have said anything, I would have just got out of there. It would make me feel uncomfortable and I would leave. The other guy whined and called the cops.

Something similiar happened at Chammps in Reston. 4-5 guys walked in with their guns strapped to their hip and sat down and started eating. When the manager saw the guns, he called the cops. The cops came and left without incident and the guys continued eating. Another one was when a couple was walking down the street and a passer-by saw the guns. they called the cops and the cops showed up. after being questioned, they left without incident as well (also in the Reston/Sterling area).

This happened when VA said it was okay to openly carry the guns. I think it was like 2yrs ago or something like that. It was all over the news. And since alot of people didn't know about it, people got scared when they say the guns being displayed.

If patrons are uneasy about the whole thing, then its up to the establishment to make a decision to ban weapons from the location as a whole. They just can't make up rules as they go along, IMO.

That sucks, but at least they can carry their firearm in a place that serves alcohol. I can't, so I either have to go out unarmed or take a chance and leave it in my car. You also have to be permitted just to carry a loaded firearm in TN, concealed or not.

If they had been arrested they might have had a case of malicious prosecution against the law officer and the person who initiated the call. I dunno what they expect to get for just being hassled.

I carry whenever I can -- if something like this happened and I was unarmed...well, let's just say having the option, I'd rather not be. I do need to pick up a smaller gun, though -- I'm not a big fan of open carry myself (I prefer to avoid making myself a potential target), and I can't easily conceal my full-size Sig without a jacket.

I have a Glock 26 and a Kimber Pro Carry II for my hip now. One or the other is with me always. Glock is a decent choice, though if I had it to do over again I'd get the 27(.40) or 32/33(.357 sig). I've also got a P229 and a P220. Both of which, IMO, are too big for me to conceal. I also carry everywhere that I legally can and conceal for the same reason you do. You never know when the element of suprise could save your life, especially where I live. Things are a little too out of control here. I even carry while working in my front yard.

Yeah - I have a Sig Pro 2022 (issued), then my own Sig 2340 and AutoOrdinance 1911A1; unfortunately, I have yet to purchase a midsize/compact...looking at possibly a Sig P239 in .357Sig. Violent crime isn't high here at all...but it still happens.

When did this country become filled with so many pansies that freak out at the site of a gun?

If the one patron didn't like those guys carrying then he is the one who should have left. Those men shouldn't have to give up their rights because it makes someone else uncomfortable. That's that person's problem to deal with.

And those cops are a bunch of jackasses who obviously aren't mature enough to handle the responsiblity that the state made the mistake of giving them.

One of the other reasons I carry concealed is running into people who are ignorant to the law and the soccermommy types with a load of kids at the store. Those are the two groups whom have given me the most flak in the past. Everything from snide remarks, crazy looks, and up to attempting to start an anti firearm argument progressing to physical contact in the checkout line. Hellllooo, you are verging on a physical confrontation with a armed person. An action which, in the state of Tennessee, qualifies as a threat to life or personal safety...and allows for the use of deadly force to quash said threat.

I'm all for no confrontation, and I have no problem leaving an establishment if the owner asks due to my having a firearm. I won't be back either. I have no patience however for folks who feel the need to get into a near shoving match over the fact I choose to lawfully carry a gun..nor for those who feel their brood of children shouldn't have to be around someone with a loaded weapon either.

It wasn't a soccermommy, they usually just pull their kids close to them out of my way. I should have clarified that. They tended to make snide remarks when I carried open. This was a grown man, 30-35 yrs old, about 5'10 inches tall, about 180 lbs. Kind of a far left liberal cause-head type I suppose.

I'm 5'3, 130 lbs and female, being yelled at three or so inches from my face in a checkout line, with candyracks to my left, magazines to my right, and a cart of groceries and customer behind me and this dude in front(I was facing away from the register, turned around after dude grabbed my shoulder and cursed at me while asking why I felt I needed to carry a handgun...that I must be a right wing conspiracy theorist and I shouldn't f'ing have the F'ing right to carry something only designed for murder.) After turning back around and not saying anything in response to his comments, he persisted...following me out to my car and kept on until the moment I drove away. The only words I spoke to him were "do not touch me" twice.

In Tennessee, it's about percieved threat of harm or death. If you were taller and bigger than this guy, you might not be ready to shoot(except after he put his hands on you) but being a fair bit smaller things are different. The point at wich you percieve a threat of harm or death is different for everyone. The law doesn't specfically line out when that level is reached.

I was employed as a paralegal for 4 years, I have done plenty of research on use of deadly force for work. I have discussed the topic and this incident with local prosecutors through the course of work...prosecutors who agreed that deadly force would have been justified in this situation and I would have faced no criminal penalty. Especially since it ALL would have been captured on film shoing the situation(and especially the part where he grabbed me). I still could face civil penalty from the decedent's family, but there is legislation now that could change the ability to sue in civil court in cases of justifiable homicide. The only reason I didn't kill the guy when he followed me to my vehicle was the potential for civil suit(unlike some, I do have things to lose financially) and that he seemed to back off when I unholstered after he grabbed my car door when I tried to close it and drive off. I closed the door as I got the hell out of there.

I'm not a confrontational person. I don't go looking for situations that result in confrontation, and carrying open just seemed to cause them. I don't want to kill anyone...unless I absolutely have to do it. Since I have been covering the gun up, I haven't had any problem. I guess what they can't see, can't offend them.

Three sides. You forgot one.

Shallowpockets - Amazing how ignorant, stupid, and obviously persistent some people can be. That guy must have some serious insecurities to pick a fight with an armed woman who hasn't said a word to him. You did the right thing, kept your cool and said "don't touch me" What amazes me is that he continued to persist to the point of following you out to your car. Could you imagine THAT GUY carrying a gun....?

I remember seeing an online searchable database that a VA paper put up online. You could search for any VA resident and if they were a CCW holder their name & address comes up. Be glad you don't live in VA

Well.... no one knows anything about the guy that called the cops either so they? Maybe something happened that makes this guy jumpy around guns now. What if the guys were up to something and his phone call stopped it? The guy would have been a hero.

Turns out they weren't and I know its your right to carry openely, however, in some places guns are not common to peope in public. Like take me for instance, I grew up in Central Florida, Rockledge (near cocoa beach) and guns being worn visibly were not a common occurance to me.I agree with what Mayur is saying too, myself I may not have called the cops but I would have quickly and quietly left. I guess I've just watched too much tv. heh.

As a lady who has carried 9mm, M4, and an M16 around quite often not to mention has used a .50 Cal on a M Series gun truck, I wish the best of luck with people who are allowed to carry. I personally want to get my own gun one day soon most likely when I get out of the military so I don't have to take a stupid commander mandated gun safety class and keep it in the armory on base. My dad said he would sell me one or two of his guns. He has a 9mm and a 22. I have been around weapons of all sorts ever since I can remember...hunting, fishing, military. Now I won't lie, sometimes I can become intimidated by a gun mostly if I have never handled it before, but once I get a good feel for it then it's like a second skin for me. I think it's human nature nowadays to be scared of anyone carrying a gun. Would it have been different if it was a group of 7 church going ladies who knit? Maybe ... maybe not. What about 7 soccer moms? Who knows? I think everyone just needs to leave people alone ... espeicailly people who carry. Because even though most of them are responsible with their weapon, you're bound to run into that one crazy fuck who just won't know what's right and what's wrong.

I am not intimidated by the gun itself, but by the people carrying one. I do not trust people naturally. I also am quite familiar with the M16A2.

Tell that to the person working behind a convenience store counter. It all depends on situations and people's experiences with guns. Someone who wtinessed loved ones killed with a gun would not share your sentament.

I think its human nature period to be intimitaed by anyone carrying a gun, not just nowadays. Thank the news and tv/movies for that one. (not to mention some people's awful first hand experiences) I believe hand guns were made to kill people. Can't relaly hunt with them, yes you can protect yourself with them, but that is where the nervouseness stems from for me. In the back of my mind I know they are for killing. I do not advocate the extremists who want to get rid of them, and I support the constitutional right to bear arms. However, I also acknowledge the fact that I am not particularly comfortable with other's carrying them in public. Basically, if they are around me I'll move away.

Just playing a little devil's advocate, trying to be objective, to shed light on the other side.

^ we had one of those crazies in town a couple days ago. He got hit in traffic by 6 dudes in a Crown vic who ran from the scene. Juniormint hops out of his car and randomly starts pointing and firing his weapon only to be stopped by two permit holding citizens. This was at a very busy intersection with a mall, gas station, Wendy's, and a Sears service center at the corners on a Saturday afternoon. The two guys drew on him and he dropped his weapon and hit the deck. They held him until cops arrived, stopping him from hitting/killing anyone. He got off about 3 shots and didn't hit a damn thing luckily. He got Felon in possession of a weapon and reckless endangerment charges

We've also had a rash of carjackings as of late where the jacker either kills or shoots and leaves the owner for dead. They don't just take the car and leave, they've started taking the driver and passengers too. Yet another reason I pack teh heat.

Bump!

Another reason in Memphis to carry(and not pick up folks AT ALL)

Yesterday, a woman was leaving a Walgreens when she saw a young lady and her infant in a carseat carrier on the sidewalk. The mom said she needed a ride and hers didn't show up. The woman in the car obliged and drove about 2 miles before the lady w/ the 3 month old baby pulled out a .40 cal handgun and put two in the driver's chest. The mom then jacked the car, kid still inside the carrier but NOT strapped in the car's seat, pushed the driver out on the corner of a busy intersection and took off....broadsiding another vehicle. She then lost control about 3 miles north and FLIPPED the car over and into a house. The child wasn't seriously hurt even though it's carrier wasn't strapped down. The lady(baby momma) was thrown out in the wreck but not hurt either. She's in jail now. The driver of the car survived several hours of surgery and is in serious condition at the local Lev. 1 trauma facility.

The baby momma had 3 warrants on shoplifting charges she was supposed to appear on but never did......ANNNNDD, she had jacked another lady using the same M.O. last week in a seedy section of town. The cops say she has been using the baby as a decoy while shoplifting(it's only 3 months old) and in two gun crimes pretty much since she gave birth. Moral of the story, don't pick anyone up regardless of the story they give. Driver wasn't thinking when she did that....however I think if she had her own weapon on her hip and visible to the baby momma, things might not have gone so bad. She wouldn't have appeared to have been such an easy mark.

or its more incentive for baby momma to shoot and kill the woman. you think if a criminal feels threatened at all they will hesitate to fire a weapon already drawn and being used as intimidation? or do you think they will hesitate and risk being fired upon?

there are two sides of the equation that id love to hear your thoughts on...

I look at it like this... If you were looking for a ride to try something criminal but saw the driver was clearly armed you'd be more apt to not get in to begin with and look for someone who poses less of a threat to your own safety. The type of criminal element around here will likely move on if they think there's a chance they could die. They're like grown versions of schoolyard bullies and when met with a challenge they have a fair chance of losing they move on to another they'll likely win. Kind of like a mugger I suppose. Would they take a 100 year old woman's purse(as has happened recently somewhere) or try to rob a rather built, more agile and stronger man?

And let's just say the last several jackings that have occurred(with armed drivers) in Memphis haven't ended all that well for the assailant. One got the guy's Suburban at a gas station and instead of just leaving he tried to run him over in it. The driver drew down and shot the jacker 6 times(out of a 7 round mag) in the head and chest while a 2 ton vehicle was headed for him.

Granted, you might run across that one guy who will shoot you whether or not you are armed, but I'm willing to bet the sight of an openly armed person will stop a thuglet in his tracks...just like the sight of a handgun freaks out many folks in general.

umm hello? that's exactly what happened.

criminals pick on easy prey. they don't want a fight, they want easy money/things.

haven't you ever read the studies or seen the occasional documentary where prisoners are talked to by a psychologist type person? when it comes to the crimes against strangers, they go after targets that they think will put up the least fight.

youre legally allowed to carry a loaded weapon in a vehicle?

im not sure you know what youre talking about.
the carjacked woman was NOT armed... where did you read she was?

With a license, certainly.

And so can you.